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does he treat you right, do you have a soul
my skull's on fire
ohhhh i'm ghost rider
combingings of my two favourite things, ghost rider and teh boss - thx, shefs
why did tampa bay fire the mahatama ghandi of coaches ;_;
TONY DUNGEE IS THE MAHATAMA GHANDI OF NFL COACHING!!1
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.
Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"
She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."
Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA." The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican party."
i just got this in my inbox, titled "fair"
9th grade:
My first sexual experience that actually involved nudity. While we're fondling each other, she asks me if I like Fresca.
Me: It's allright.
Girl: Well, I LOVE it. How 'bout you go get me a bottle of it?
I go downstairs and grab a 20 ounce bottle from the fridge. When I return, she says it's too cold.
Girl: How 'bout warming it up...by rubbing it on my tits?
So I began to rub her vigorously with the bottle. Soon enough, she asks me to shove it inside of her. She really enjoys it, and so do I because I KNOW that, with this girl, I'm definantly going to get off. That's when it gets crazy.
She rips out the bottle, opens it, and begins filling her vajay with Fresca. I swear, she nearly empties the volume into her vagina. I had seriously underestimated this vadge's liquid retention volume.
Girl: YOU LIKE FRESCA?!?!?!? OH YEAH OH YEAH DRINK IT FROM ME!
I was noticebly freaked me, but I did want to get off, and I didn't want my first load-blow to be into 18.7 fluid ounces of a 0-calorie beverage. I began to go down on her, until she said the exact wrong thing.
Girl: OH YEAH, DRINK IT FROM ME! I'M THE KOOL-AID MAN! OH YEAH! OH YEAH!
I don't know how she did it with 16-year-old voice, but she sounded exactly like the Kool-Aid man from the commercials. I glanced at the wall, half-expecting him to burst through and over me a fruity beverage. I was extremely turned-off. She could tell, too. As she sat up to see what was wrong, she twisted her body in such a way that Fresca shot out of her vadge and all over my face, chest, and groin. And it was at that sticky, low-calorie moment that my parents chose to pull into the driveway.
let me tell you about myself
Girls in general are shallow. I hate almost all girls. I'd probably have a great job right now (not bored out my wits visiting wizardishungry every other hour) if I hadn't been practically in tears with my mom telling her I WOULD NOT go to college. Not that she even prompted me to look at college applications and scholarships. I don't blame her, though. I blame the bitches and assholes who teased me from second grade through twelfth grade, making my life a living hell because I was younger than them (started K at age 4), I made good grades without even trying, and I couldn't afford brand name clothes.
We need an apocalypse so the human race can start over (again). Hopefully this time jealous rulers and secretive scholars won't hide the records of our civilization so that future generations can learn from our mistakes. So, as the Tool song says, I'm praying...except I'm praying for something a bit more catastrophic. Anyone heard of the slumbering volcano under Yellowstone Park? The lake has actually MOVED because of the building pressure. There are trees underwater now that were far from the lake's edge in the early 1900s. It's due to erupt anytime now, and the last time it did the ash suffocated animals as far away as Kentucky (I love the Science Channel). I won't regret leaving this world - I look forward to being born again under simpler conditions. The struggle for survival builds character, which is something almost no one I know possesses. Since I live on the other side of the Appalachians, in this wonderful deciduous forest environment (OK, so the bugs suck, but otherwise it's all good), there's a good chance we can start anew during my generation.
2012, according to the Mayans. We'll see. I can only hope the rest of the world also suffers from catastrophe. We have to start over...I learned yesterday that there's a strong possibility that the AIDS virus got its start through the polio vaccine. It's a conspiracy theory, to be sure, but highly believable. Just another example of our government doing us more harm than good.
APOCALYPSE: SOON
for exercise i run around with mikey shanahans in my hip pocket. when i take him out he is full sized. when i put him in my pocket he does not shrink, yet still he fits. and he stays heavy which is good for the workout. and always he stays intense which is good for our relationship.
SPACE BEER II
Sometimes in order to put sports in perspective even The Schef has to step back and take a look at this young man who is making such a difference. To me he is up there w/the Baby Eistien lady and Mutumbo, but obv not w/the subway guy cause that guy is the best ever; his name is Jared Fogels.
Corey Chapman (Crackers)
Project Leader, Webmaster, XIMinc CEO, Waving the Magic Wand
Hails from Rock Hill, South Carolina, United States
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www.coreychapman.com
THE YaBB TEAM
Occupation: Quality Manager, Ring Container Technologies
Hobbies: Web development, rollerblading, collecting random things, doing new and adventurous things
Quote: If you have been lied to for two years you have an associated degree in wisdom. If you have been lied to for four years you have a bachelors degree in applied stupidity. -- rmartin313@excite.com
Biography: Corey has been using the Internet since around 1994 and has experience in web development since 1997. He holds a degree in Engineering Management from the University of Missouri - Rolla and a minor in Computer Science. He started out as a YaBB user, became a YaBB developer, and not much later became lead of the project.
Corey Chapman (Crackers)
Project Leader, Webmaster, XIMinc CEO, Waving the Magic Wand
Hails from Rock Hill, South Carolina, United States
View YaBB Profile
www.coreychapman.com
THE YaBB TEAM
Occupation: Quality Manager, Ring Container Technologies
Hobbies: Web development, rollerblading, collecting random things, doing new and adventurous things
Quote: If you have been lied to for two years you have an associated degree in wisdom. If you have been lied to for four years you have a bachelors degree in applied stupidity. -- rmartin313@excite.com
Biography: Corey has been using the Internet since around 1994 and has experience in web development since 1997. He holds a degree in Engineering Management from the University of Missouri - Rolla and a minor in Computer Science. He started out as a YaBB user, became a YaBB developer, and not much later became lead of the project.
THE SCHEF'S PROFILES IN COURAGE VOL 1
Had some nice news this morning. I received an email from the lovely Jessica Hart saying I'd won her Harlequin Mills & Boon March release Barefoot Bride. Yay me! I love winning books! Jessica's website has recently been updated, so if you haven't visited for a while, pop over and have a look.
Barefoot Bride
Can we please get over the hipster parent moment? Can we please see the end of those Park Slope alternative Stepford Moms in their black-on-black maternity tunics who turn their babies into fashion-forward, anticorporate indie-infants in order to stay one step ahead of the cool police?
Can we stop hearing about downtown parents who dress their babies in black skull slippers, Punky Monkey T-shirts and camo toddler ponchos until the little ones end up looking like sad-parody club clones of mom and dad? Can we finally stop reading about the musical Antoinettes who would get the vapors if their tykes were caught listening to Disney tunes, and who instead force-feed Brian Eno, Radiohead and Sufjan Stevens into their little babies’ iPods?
I mean, don’t today’s much-discussed hipster parents notice that their claims to rebellious individuality are undercut by the fact that they are fascistically turning their children into miniature reproductions of their hipper-than-thou selves? Don’t they observe that with their inevitable hummus snacks, their pastel-free wardrobes, their unearned sense of superiority and their abusively pretentious children’s names like Anouschka and Elijah, they are displaying a degree of conformity that makes your average suburban cul-de-sac look like Renaissance Florence?
Enough already. The hipster parent trend has been going on too long and it’s got to stop. It’s been nearly three years since reporters for sociologically attuned publications like The New York Observer began noticing oversophisticated infants in “Anarchy in the Pre-K” shirts. Since then, the trend has exhausted its life cycle.
A witty essay by Adam Sternbergh announced the phenomenon in an April 2006 New York magazine. Sternbergh described 40-year-old men and women with $200 bedhead haircuts and $600 messenger bags, who “look, talk, act and dress like people who are 22 years old,” and dress their infants as if they’re 16. He called these pseudo-adults “Grups,” observing that they smashed any remaining semblance of a generation gap.
He noticed that the music of the parental generation sounds exactly like the music of the kids’ generation. They have the same rock star fashion sense, and share the same taste for distressed denim. He found a music video director, Adam Levite, who had a guitar collection propped up in his TriBeCa loft, and then similar miniature versions of the same guitars for his 6-year-old son, Asa.
Then came the hipster parents’ own online magazine, Babble.com.
Babble is a normal parental advice magazine submerged under geological layers of attitudinizing. There are articles about products from the alternative industrial complex (early ’60s retro baby food organizers). There’s a blog from a rock star mom (it’s lonely on the road). There’s a column by L.A.’s Rebecca Woolf, a sort of Silver Lake Erma Bombeck. (“Who says becoming a mom means succumbing to laser tattoo removal and moving to the suburbs?”)
On top of that there’s been a flourishing of the movement’s official gathering site — the message board complex UrbanBaby.com. Here, highly educated parents trade tips about the toxic dangers of aluminum foil. Stay-at-home Martyr Mommies trade gibes with their working mom frenemies. High-achieving types try to restrain their judgmental, perfectionist tendencies with self-mockery: “I horrified myself the other day when I found myself being surprised that Angelina [Jolie] would let Zahara eat Ms. Vickie’s chips. Shoot me before I turn into a sanctimommy!”
Finally, in a sign that the hip parenting thing has jumped the shark, the movement got its own book, the indescribably dull “Alternadad,” about a self-described whiny narcissist who tries not to let his son’s birth get in the way of his rock festival lifestyle. Surely a trend has hit absurdity when you have a book in which the most memorable moment comes when the writer succumbs to the corporate temptations of Toys “R” Us.
Let me be clear: I’m not against the indie/alternative lifestyle. There is nothing more reassuringly traditionalist than the counterculture. For 30 years, the music, the fashions, the poses and the urban weeklies have all been the same. Everything in this society changes except nonconformity.
What I object to is people who make their children ludicrous. Innocent infants should not be compelled to sport “My Mom’s Blog Is Better Than Your Mom’s Blog” infant wear. They should not be turned into deceptive edginess badges by parents who refuse to face that their days of chaotic, unscheduled moshing are over.
For God’s sake, let’s respect the dignity of youth.
Mosh Pit Meets Sandbox
I am now a famous person for the scientific community as well.
I would like to say thanks you much dear PhDs for your efforts to find the beer in space which i think is our most important challenge awaiting us today.
I will look forward to receiving more inquiries hopefully i can spread the good word about the space beer.
I would like to say thanks you much dear PhDs for your efforts to find the beer in space which i think is our most important challenge awaiting us today.
I will look forward to receiving more inquiries hopefully i can spread the good word about the space beer.
being MAN OF THE YEAR is really getting me a lot of attention!!
Hi! I'm Spliffhead I like to lie on the floor
Hello, I'm Girlie
I'm not and I'm cynical
Hi! I'm Ketamine Kettison
Hi! I'm Julia and I'm Schoolie
I'm Smith
Hi! I'm Smartass at the computer
Hi! I'm Skunklad
FUCK YA FACE
sigh... maybe we should just keep a chit.
i feel like i'm always getting into fights over whos getting more head...
Steps
1. Think of something witty to say, but do it quickly. There is nothing worse than someone who takes goes on a blog and doesn't enter their comment for five minutes.
2. If the person is a close friend, it often helps to include some type of inside joke.
3. Assess how much space you should take up. Think about two inches by three inches if he or she is someone you know moderately well, and four to five inches if he or she is your absolute best friend.
4. At the end, enter your name, legibly. There is nothing worse than the owner of the blog not being able to figure out who wrote that super witty comment in his/her blog twenty years down the road. If it's legible, then he/she will remember how cool you were and who you were.
Tips
* Sometimes posting little pictures can be cool.
* If you are totally blanking on what to write, write, "Thank you, Hope you had a good year" and sign.
* Make sure to include your first and last name. Without it, the chances of someone recalling you twenty years down the line are less likely. Without your last name, they cannot even find your picture on GIS.
* If you want, you can develop a special signature or a personal sign-off. Becoming truly good at signing blogs takes practice, so you'll have to develop your techniques over time.
Warnings
* If you have a problem with a person, do not talk about it in the blog. Eventually other signers will read it, and it will make you look bad.
* Be careful what you write. Other people will be seeing the blog, so try not to talk badly about coworkers or other bloggers. You want to be remembered as somebody cool, not as a mean person.
* If you want to write "love always" or "xoxo" to your friends, that's great, but keep in mind that for some people it's not always taken the right way. Make sure you know who you're writing it to and think about it before you do it.
1. Think of something witty to say, but do it quickly. There is nothing worse than someone who takes goes on a blog and doesn't enter their comment for five minutes.
2. If the person is a close friend, it often helps to include some type of inside joke.
3. Assess how much space you should take up. Think about two inches by three inches if he or she is someone you know moderately well, and four to five inches if he or she is your absolute best friend.
4. At the end, enter your name, legibly. There is nothing worse than the owner of the blog not being able to figure out who wrote that super witty comment in his/her blog twenty years down the road. If it's legible, then he/she will remember how cool you were and who you were.
Tips
* Sometimes posting little pictures can be cool.
* If you are totally blanking on what to write, write, "Thank you, Hope you had a good year" and sign.
* Make sure to include your first and last name. Without it, the chances of someone recalling you twenty years down the line are less likely. Without your last name, they cannot even find your picture on GIS.
* If you want, you can develop a special signature or a personal sign-off. Becoming truly good at signing blogs takes practice, so you'll have to develop your techniques over time.
Warnings
* If you have a problem with a person, do not talk about it in the blog. Eventually other signers will read it, and it will make you look bad.
* Be careful what you write. Other people will be seeing the blog, so try not to talk badly about coworkers or other bloggers. You want to be remembered as somebody cool, not as a mean person.
* If you want to write "love always" or "xoxo" to your friends, that's great, but keep in mind that for some people it's not always taken the right way. Make sure you know who you're writing it to and think about it before you do it.
doodz here are some helpful hints for when you post commetns on my blog
lol dude i keep telling you, just call her!!! mindy i hope you see this, this shit went down for three hours by the johnsons last night.
phones...pretty f'in confusing!
Dear JetBlue Customers,
We are sorry and embarrassed. But most of all, we are deeply sorry.
Last week was the worst operational week in JetBlue's seven year history. Following the severe winter ice storm in the Northeast, we subjected our customers to unacceptable delays, flight cancellations, lost baggage, and other major inconveniences. The storm disrupted the movement of aircraft, and, more importantly, disrupted the movement of JetBlue's pilot and inflight crewmembers who were depending on those planes to get them to the airports where they were scheduled to serve you. With the busy President's Day weekend upon us, rebooking opportunities were scarce and hold times at 1-800-JETBLUE were unacceptably long or not even available, further hindering our recovery efforts.
Words cannot express how truly sorry we are for the anxiety, frustration and inconvenience that we caused. This is especially saddening because JetBlue was founded on the promise of bringing humanity back to air travel and making the experience of flying happier and easier for everyone who chooses to fly with us. We know we failed to deliver on this promise last week.
We are committed to you, our valued customers, and are taking immediate corrective steps to regain your confidence in us. We have begun putting a comprehensive plan in place to provide better and more timely information to you, more tools and resources for our crewmembers and improved procedures for handling operational difficulties in the future. We are confident, as a result of these actions, that JetBlue will emerge as a more reliable and even more customer responsive airline than ever before.
Most importantly, we have published the JetBlue Airways Customer Bill of Rights—our official commitment to you of how we will handle operational interruptions going forward—including details of compensation. I have a video message to share with you about this industry leading action.
You deserved better—a lot better—from us last week. Nothing is more important than regaining your trust and all of us here hope you will give us the opportunity to welcome you onboard again soon and provide you the positive JetBlue Experience you have come to expect from us.
Sincerely,
David Neeleman
Founder and CEO
JetBlue Airways
We are sorry and embarrassed. But most of all, we are deeply sorry.
Last week was the worst operational week in JetBlue's seven year history. Following the severe winter ice storm in the Northeast, we subjected our customers to unacceptable delays, flight cancellations, lost baggage, and other major inconveniences. The storm disrupted the movement of aircraft, and, more importantly, disrupted the movement of JetBlue's pilot and inflight crewmembers who were depending on those planes to get them to the airports where they were scheduled to serve you. With the busy President's Day weekend upon us, rebooking opportunities were scarce and hold times at 1-800-JETBLUE were unacceptably long or not even available, further hindering our recovery efforts.
Words cannot express how truly sorry we are for the anxiety, frustration and inconvenience that we caused. This is especially saddening because JetBlue was founded on the promise of bringing humanity back to air travel and making the experience of flying happier and easier for everyone who chooses to fly with us. We know we failed to deliver on this promise last week.
We are committed to you, our valued customers, and are taking immediate corrective steps to regain your confidence in us. We have begun putting a comprehensive plan in place to provide better and more timely information to you, more tools and resources for our crewmembers and improved procedures for handling operational difficulties in the future. We are confident, as a result of these actions, that JetBlue will emerge as a more reliable and even more customer responsive airline than ever before.
Most importantly, we have published the JetBlue Airways Customer Bill of Rights—our official commitment to you of how we will handle operational interruptions going forward—including details of compensation. I have a video message to share with you about this industry leading action.
You deserved better—a lot better—from us last week. Nothing is more important than regaining your trust and all of us here hope you will give us the opportunity to welcome you onboard again soon and provide you the positive JetBlue Experience you have come to expect from us.
Sincerely,
David Neeleman
Founder and CEO
JetBlue Airways
:0 :/ ;_;
a devoted reader named "jon w" has asked this question!!
I wonder if adam schefter and dr z are pals?
If you live in New York City, you know Dr. Zizmor.
Outside of Rudi there aren't too many New York Personalities who get as much coverage as our dear doctor does.
There was a time when nearly every subway car you ventured into would have a Dr. Zizmor ad - blazing the way towards an every tackier world where skin disease went had in hand with Gap ads.
...But times have changed and been hard for Dr. Zizmor, what with the MTA deciding to hike advertising prices in 1995 and encourage companies to purchase the advertising rights to an entire half of a car. Today you're more likely to see Banana Republic dominating you left while Captain Morgan proclaims his need to party on the right.
Smaller vendors not interested in purchasing entire half cars are limited to the 20% of the availble cars that offer small panel advertising. And you can bet in those 20% that Dr. Zizmor will be there, shining his pearly white skin against his rainbow backdrop telling you how to make your life a better one in just a few easy steps.
AND YOU CAN GO BACK TO WORK THE VERY SAME DAY!
(this is my dog, I named him after dr. z!!!)
I wonder if adam schefter and dr z are pals?
If you live in New York City, you know Dr. Zizmor.
Outside of Rudi there aren't too many New York Personalities who get as much coverage as our dear doctor does.
There was a time when nearly every subway car you ventured into would have a Dr. Zizmor ad - blazing the way towards an every tackier world where skin disease went had in hand with Gap ads.
...But times have changed and been hard for Dr. Zizmor, what with the MTA deciding to hike advertising prices in 1995 and encourage companies to purchase the advertising rights to an entire half of a car. Today you're more likely to see Banana Republic dominating you left while Captain Morgan proclaims his need to party on the right.
Smaller vendors not interested in purchasing entire half cars are limited to the 20% of the availble cars that offer small panel advertising. And you can bet in those 20% that Dr. Zizmor will be there, shining his pearly white skin against his rainbow backdrop telling you how to make your life a better one in just a few easy steps.
AND YOU CAN GO BACK TO WORK THE VERY SAME DAY!
(this is my dog, I named him after dr. z!!!)
a little story from the fan mail bag
it's been an intense couple of days for me, i'll be on better form once all the shit is sorted out.
KEEP IT REALZ GUYS C U ON THE FLIP SIDES
LOL J/K MY LIFE IS AWESOMES JUST MY TRICKING AGAIN!!!!!!
KEEP IT REALZ GUYS C U ON THE FLIP SIDES
LOL J/K MY LIFE IS AWESOMES JUST MY TRICKING AGAIN!!!!!!
sorry guys...
bump
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 7:22 PM. (stet) (later)
wait you're kidding
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 7:25 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
Nope.
-- Ned Raggett, February 21st, 2007 7:26 PM. (Ned) (later)
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-- chicago kevin says fuck this, it's noodle time., February 21st, 2007 7:29 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
THE FONT ARGHH!!!
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:31 PM. (ex machina) (later)
BRING BACK HTML
-- a_p, February 21st, 2007 7:31 PM. (a_p) (later)
did you use this link?
http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/
also, disable css
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:32 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
let the user id landgrab begin!
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 7:32 PM. (edward iii) (later)
works for me but ugh, yeah the font...
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:32 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
still doesn't work for me. so i guess this is good bye. ;_;
-- chicago kevin says fuck this, it's noodle time., February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
for real, that font unreadable
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
sandbox 4 life
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (ex machina) (later)
can we not change user name (as opposed to login) as previously?
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
I don't bitch too much about ilx type stuff all that often but it is really really hideously ugly.
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BRING BACK TIMES NEW ROMAN
-- ice bat f/k/a xero, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (ice bat f/k/a xero) (later)
DISABLE CSS! geez people. . .
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:34 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:34 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I don't know what that means
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:34 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
DISABLE CSS! geez people. . .
-- Ms Misery (missmisery7...)
Sorry I don't want to have to set this up for every browser I ever use, you fucking fuck.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (ex machina) (later)
(um disabling css that is - well okay I know it means disable cascading style sheets but I dunno how to do it.)
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
ok did anyone else have troubles just registering because it is next to impossible to read the letters??
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
can't login
is ugly
likely to be made worse by one of jon's tantrums
etc etc
-- coz larry, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (bundgee) (later)
holy shit jon and I agree on somethin
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
no. bring back nothing. it honest to god is barely even readable with the style sheet turned on, if you disable it, as Ms Misery suggested, it's practically A-OK all around.
but I don't want to have to turn CSS on and off and on and off to use ILX and the rest of the internet. just get rid of the stylesheet altogether.
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (trm) (later)
"ok did anyone else have troubles just registering because it is next to impossible to read the letters??"
yep - had to do it 3 times.
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
Formatting help
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FUCK YOU
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-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I can tell I'm going to have zero patience for people complaining about a. issues that have already been noted are not finished b. something new that someone else did on their own time. If you don't like it, go make your own!
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
How about THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK GUYS
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (edward iii) (later)
and that, ladies and gents, is why we don't have html anymore
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (trm) (later)
xpost to the spoiled five-y.o. who runs brooklyn
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 7:37 PM. (trm) (later)
WILLIAMSBURG RIP
-- coz larry, February 21st, 2007 7:37 PM. (bundgee) (later)
There are plenty of perfectly good html sanitizers
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:38 PM. (ex machina) (later)
yeah, really jon--it's more or less your fault the nuILX had to go up looking like this.
-- METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE, February 21st, 2007 7:38 PM. (scarymonster) (later)
THANKS FOR WORKING SO HARD TO MAKE SOMETHING SO UNUSABLE, IT MUST HAVE BEEN BACK-BREAKING WORK BUT IT'S A RESOUNDING SUCCESS.
-- chicago kevin says fuck this, it's noodle time., February 21st, 2007 7:38 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
I invented CSS and I can destroy CSS
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (ex machina) (later)
maybe these questions should have been asked openly
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (ex machina) (later)
IT WAS PROBABLY LOADS AND LOADS OF HARD WORK AND YOU DID IT FOR FREE FUCK YOU ARGHHH
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (edward iii) (later)
thread title should read "almost ready"
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
yeah, really jon--it's more or less your fault the nuILX had to go up looking like this.
-- METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (jessi...), Today. (later)
haha
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
if jon spent more time working on his personal relationships, ilx would look good
NEVER FORGET, RIP, LOL, ETC
-- coz larry, February 21st, 2007 7:40 PM. (bundgee) (later)
JON WILLIAMS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 20 POINT BOOKMAN OLD FACE
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 7:40 PM. (trm) (later)
how do you change your password?
-- JordanC, February 21st, 2007 7:40 PM. (JordanC) (later)
lol @ spoiled 5 yo who runs brooklyn
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 7:40 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
-- PPlains, February 21st, 2007 7:41 PM. (PPlains) (later)
Preferences
Change Password
Show Images
Time zone:
ughhh
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:42 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:43 PM. (ex machina) (later)
those are some serious preferences, i am overwhelmed with customizable options
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:44 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
Nevermind, preferences wasn't showing up under the first 'more' like I followed.
-- JordanC, February 21st, 2007 7:44 PM. (JordanC) (later)
let the user id landgrab begin!
yeah, what about this...
-- Spencer Chow, February 21st, 2007 7:44 PM. (spencermfi) (later)
I appreciate all the hard work, but this just doesn't seem ready.
-- Spencer Chow, February 21st, 2007 7:45 PM. (spencermfi) (later)
QUESTION:
Why do you guys break heart all of the time?
-- Nude Spock, February 21st, 2007 7:46 PM. (Buddha) (later)
each others, I mean?
-- Nude Spock, February 21st, 2007 7:46 PM. (Buddha) (later)
THANK YOU
-- ice bat f/k/a xero, February 21st, 2007 7:46 PM. (ice bat f/k/a xero) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:47 PM. (ex machina) (later)
login links broken all over
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:47 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I hope I don't have to find out what CSS is.
Looks like it might be a good year to give up boardz for Lent!
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 7:48 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
I'm sure a lot of hard work went into scripting nuILX, but seeing as it's a crippled bastard changeling of the one I know, uglier and with fewer features and NO HTML, I don't really appreciate the work at all!
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:49 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
This is good group QA, dudes.
-- JordanC, February 21st, 2007 7:49 PM. (JordanC) (later)
I can't login.
http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/j_security_check
gives me a reset connection
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:50 PM. (ex machina) (later)
remind me again exactly what is wrong with the lix sandbox??
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 7:50 PM. (ooo) (later)
remind me again exactly what is wrong with the lix sandbox??
run by nazis who like java?
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:50 PM. (ex machina) (later)
works ok for me & doesnt look like shit
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 7:51 PM. (ooo) (later)
HTTP Status 404 - /ILX/j_security_check
type Status report
message /ILX/j_security_check
description The requested resource (/ILX/j_security_check) is not available.
Apache Tomcat/5.5.20
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:52 PM. (ex machina) (later)
J SECURITY CHECK
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:52 PM. (ex machina) (later)
nazis who like java
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 7:53 PM. (ooo) (later)
this is hilarious.
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 7:53 PM. (526) (later)
I'm sure a lot of hard work went into scripting nuILX, but seeing as it's a crippled bastard changeling of the one I know, uglier and with fewer features and NO HTML, I don't really appreciate the work at all!
It's more secure from Jon, which means I don't have to run around fixing old holes in code that he's "helpfully" pointing out. It also won't take up 100% of the processor power on the one small server we have, so we won't be back at the poxy fule every 4pm we had late last year. The ilx sandbox is none of these things.
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 7:53 PM. (stet) (later)
JON YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED
YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING THE INEFFICIENCY OF THE NETWORK
YOU MUST BE PURGED
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:54 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
ethan, eventually, once the posts build up, sandbox will be subject to the same breaks and poxyfules as the old ilx. it's the same old, broken code.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:54 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
first rule of IT: the only thing users hate more than the old system is the new system
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 7:56 PM. (edward iii) (later)
second rule of IT: uh, ask your users about their preferences before changing things!
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 7:57 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:58 PM. (ex machina) (later)
fuck you nazis
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:58 PM. (ex machina) (later)
that's your hstencil jr squat that was banned, isn't it?
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 7:59 PM. (stet) (later)
I can't believe I paypalled hard-earned US dollars to you fucks so you could "protect ILX against Jon." What a fucking scam; I am such a dupe.
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:59 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
Well, the one i registered to my domain DIDN'T ARRIVE.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:59 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I haven't really been paying attention to this but I'm kinda shocked to find out that the new code's main advantage is that it can't be hacked by one of our own users?! wtf jon
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 8:00 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
"Protect ILX again rules of good taste"
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:00 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I haven't really been paying attention to this but I'm kinda shocked to find out that the new code's main advantage is that it can't be hacked by one of our own users?! wtf jon
remains to be seen
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:00 PM. (ex machina) (later)
oooh get him
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 8:01 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
fuck you guys seriously.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:01 PM. (ex machina) (later)
i would rather have old ilx be up like 60% of the time and get poxyfuled the other 40% than have new ilx up 100% of the time
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 8:01 PM. (ooo) (later)
I can't believe I paypalled hard-earned US dollars to you fucks so you could "protect ILX against Jon." What a fucking scam; I am such a dupe.
UH, no, you paypalled it so we could buy a server after Andrew took his old one away. The amount of cash that was left over after that was a negative sum, so all the code and work is for free.
The old code could have stayed up for a bit longer, as the new server had plenty of headroom. But Jon fucked about with its many security holes, so we moved to the new more secure code, like he was obviously demanding.
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:01 PM. (stet) (later)
Login failed. repeatedly. I give up for now.
Also, the default text size is too big.
-- Spencer Chow, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (spencermfi) (later)
If you're going to ban me, you should be upfront instead of lying, you java-using nazis
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I can't register. It keeps giving me an error message.
ILX for me no mo :(
-- C J, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (C J) (later)
he demanded bookman font? JON YOU BASTARD
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
Login failed. repeatedly. I give up for now.
Fuck this. fuck you guys. PEACE!
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (ex machina) (later)
CRYING EAGLE BOOKMAN.JPG
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:03 PM. (ex machina) (later)
wait are you really banning jon?
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:03 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
this is the funniest thing ive seen in ages:D
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (526) (later)
"protect against Jon" really means "protect against any and all malicious and unauthorized use" but the only person who's ever been so hard up about internet bullshit to actually hack this place is, in fact, Jon, plus his name is nice and short and easy to type.
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (trm) (later)
bad explanation for weak sauce, stet dude. demonize jon all you want, your code still sucks choad.
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
than have new ilx up 100% of the time
It's been up for less than an hour! Give it some time!
second rule of IT: uh, ask your users about their preferences before changing things!
you've obv. never worked in IT.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
if all he's doing is running around causing massive problems for our coders (who are working for free) than fuck yes ban him.
not that anyone cares what I think.
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
-- a_p, February 21st, 2007 8:05 PM. (a_p) (later)
did you just call me "stet dude?"
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 8:05 PM. (trm) (later)
you've obv. never worked in IT.
-- Ms Misery (missmisery7...), February 21st, 2007.
Yeah it was a joke!
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 8:05 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
pity the bookies wouldnt take bets on a histrionic all round meltdown as soon as it came back
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 8:05 PM. (526) (later)
This pissing and moaning is hilarious, dudes! Keep it up!
-- danno martinez, February 21st, 2007 8:06 PM. (danno martinez) (later)
CJ, just FYI: when my login was failing repeatedly it was because I was putting my screen-name in the field instead of the email address as requested.
-- Laurel, February 21st, 2007 8:06 PM. (Laurel) (later)
when you get banned it should have a huge ;_; and say like u banned! or something.
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:06 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Well, that was one of the reasons, anyway. But the other one was ALSO my own fault.
-- Laurel, February 21st, 2007 8:07 PM. (Laurel) (later)
guys jhoshea is otm
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 8:07 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
this board is full of whiners
-- max, February 21st, 2007 8:07 PM. (maxreax) (later)
in the meantime i will produce a serious magick greasemonkey thing for this but i need only ONE (one) feature request—allow new answers and actual thread pages to display post times and dates as absolutes (or even absolutes relative to current user time) as opposed to relative (i.e. "2 minutes ago"). Alternately, I note that msgs in each thread are given a messageid relative just to that thread — plz to also display (in a hidden html element even, like, uh, a hidden form element maybe, or in the "name" attribute of the anchor links) in the new answers page, the msg id of the last post in each thread.
Should be relatively low overhead and it will let me script up a quick user-side "unread answers" functionality (which will be coupled with user-side "#unread" functionality too!)
-- sterl clover, February 21st, 2007 8:07 PM. (s_clover) (later)
also yeah i will make a greasemonkey stylesheet thing to make this look super like the old ilx.
-- sterl clover, February 21st, 2007 8:08 PM. (s_clover) (later)
I am ip banned and cannot register an account on any email or even reach a login form. Have fun with a boring board with shitty code, lying nazi admins and ugly fonts! PEACE
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:08 PM. (ex machina) (later)
-- max, February 21st, 2007 8:08 PM. (maxreax) (later)
Jon, isn't this ironic? Don't you think?
-- Nude Spock, February 21st, 2007 8:09 PM. (Buddha) (later)
i accidentally s=typed my email address wrong and had to settle for jh0shea in the do over.
and while we're making suggestions you should make it so everyone can change their names all the time cause thats one of the fun things.
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:09 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Sterling stop being constructive you fucking hack!
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 8:09 PM. (edward iii) (later)
UH, no, you paypalled it so we could buy a server after Andrew took his old one away
Wait - wasn't that one funded by ILDonations?
-- milo, February 21st, 2007 8:10 PM. (milo) (later)
the def of "ready" is even more elusive than "a couple of days" 'round here
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 8:10 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
jon it is just the internets, be cool
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 8:10 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
ha look i made a typo when i was talking abt the typo i made before
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:11 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:11 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I found Jon's choice of hack banning quite amusing but must say the irony of his banning is even better.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:12 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
also can you add "unasked questions" next to unanswered questions? That way I know what we haven't talked about yet.
-- sterl clover, February 21st, 2007 8:13 PM. (s_clover) (later)
Jon, none of those things are true. I've unbanned hstencil jr to be certain.
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:13 PM. (stet) (later)
DONT WORRY HES FROM THE IT DEPARTMENT /cat.jpg
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:13 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
I still don't understand why Jon insists on fucking with the admins and/or doesn't just set up his own noize board elsewhere free from Britishes interference. Obviously he's capable of doing so.
-- milo, February 21st, 2007 8:14 PM. (milo) (later)
he'd like you to think so
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 8:15 PM. (trm) (later)
it seems more obvious to me that he's quite clearly incapable of that
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 8:15 PM. (trm) (later)
sandbox noize board now locked?? ;_;
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 8:15 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
NEW FONT
-- max, February 21st, 2007 8:15 PM. (maxreax) (later)
WE BANNED
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
can we put my ilx meme collage on the home page and add a new board where we can discuss suggested additions plz
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
oh noes i think i saw a tear on the ground. hope you are going to be ok everyone!!!
maybe those that don't make it through, could stay back here in the sandbox.
im sure it'll all work out for you guys in the end though. i'll be thinking of you!
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (526) (later)
not really
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
hstencil was banned?!? :(
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
xp to myself
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Thanks for the help, Laurel, but I'm still getting this error message :
ILX 2
An error has occurred; please try again shortly.
-- C J, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (C J) (later)
ok, I overreacted.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:17 PM. (ex machina) (later)
i just tried to register & it wouldnt let me
fuck this
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 8:17 PM. (ooo) (later)
haha xpost
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 8:17 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
Ok, I guess I'm not banned despite not being able to register accounts on my domain or my employers domain and all the banned messages? This is a little weird though.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:18 PM. (ex machina) (later)
ok, I overreacted.
-- Del Monte Young (jo...), Today 8:17 PM. (ex machina) (later)
ILEpitaphs
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:19 PM. (grady) (later)
So secure that 50% of people can't login!
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:19 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I can login now, I forgot I wasn't using my new password.
-- Spencer Chow, February 21st, 2007 8:20 PM. (spencermfi) (later)
Does mean the Bambi on Ice show is over? :(
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 8:20 PM. (526) (later)
It's rather impossible to intuit what to enter here on Login page--
User Name (email address):
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 8:21 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
New board has un-American style of showing dates!
-- Little kernel of salty honey, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (crunkleJ) (later)
U SHOULD PUT THE ROUND PARENTHESIS BACK INSTEAD OF THE SQUARE BRACKETS (((((]]]]]]] AROUND THE THREAD INFO
[haha im just funning w/u]
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Oh, it's fucking sendmail choking. Some passwords might take a while to arrive.
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (stet) (later)
Also, we can't changes display names? I don't want to be hstencil junior.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (ex machina) (later)
Morb, it's not if you read the registration page, & made note of the bit where it said your e-mail address IS your logon name. It's not flashing in neon or wearing pasties, but it's there.
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
I need neon pasties, bub
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 8:23 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
It's not flashing in neon or wearing pasties, but it's there.
then why would he have seen it?
xpost- see?
-- chicago kevin says fuck this, it's noodle time., February 21st, 2007 8:23 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
what am i doing wrong?
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:23 PM. (grady) (later)
I don't want to be hstencil junior.
SELF INFLICTED WOUND
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 8:24 PM. (edward iii) (later)
OK WHICH LOGIN LINK AIN'T BROKEN
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 8:25 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
Rick, temporarily, this is running on port 8080, and it's likely that your firewall isn't letting it through...
CJ - are you going to the right URL? The old ones won't work:
http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX
-- KeefW, February 21st, 2007 8:26 PM. (KeefW) (later)
BEST THREAD EVAR!!!!
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:26 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Morb, it's not if you read the registration page, & made note of the bit where it said your e-mail address IS your logon name. It's not flashing in neon or wearing pasties, but it's there.
Morbs does have a point in that its bad UI design. It's like clicking on "Start" to shut down your computer, or having a field label that reads "City (Zip Code):".
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 8:27 PM. (edward iii) (later)
Is it just me or is the linespacing a bit much?
-- they be stealin' kingfish's bucket, February 21st, 2007 8:27 PM. (kingfish) (later)
my firewall let me go to ilxor.com all the time before nuILX.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:27 PM. (grady) (later)
kingfish otm. i finally managed to find some working links though
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:28 PM. (ex machina) (later)
any chance of getting the urls canonicalized to just ilxor.com¿
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:29 PM. (ex machina) (later)
password change page does not * out pword
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:30 PM. (ex machina) (later)
Y IZ NOIZE BOARD LOCKED?
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 8:31 PM. (edward iii) (later)
My main problem with nu-ILX is that everything is too spaced out. You can only see like 10 threads on New Answers at a time because there's a bunch of space between each one. And then within the thread, there's too much space above and below the horizontal line between each post (the line itself is too long, besides). I'm trying not to complain just because it's different, but it has the effect of making my eyes hurt, for real. I guess I just don't understand why it can't look exactly like ILX used to look. At this point, there are no significant advantages that nu-ILX has that would make me want to abandon the sandbox.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:31 PM. (jaymc) (later)
i turned my firewall off and still can't connect.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:32 PM. (grady) (later)
xpost
Well as has been stated, this is a work in progress and right now I believe it's all about functionality, not presentation.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:33 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
try http://ilx.wh3rd.net:8080/ILX/
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:34 PM. (stet) (later)
xp The sandbox functions just fine.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:34 PM. (jaymc) (later)
xpost Ms Misery OTM
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:34 PM. (stet) (later)
xp The sandbox functions just fine.
You might think that. I'm down in its cogs with the grease :(
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:34 PM. (stet) (later)
xxpost, it's already been mentioned why the sandbox is temporary and why it will eventually break like old ilx.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:35 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
IM SURE ALL THAT SPACING STUFF WILL BE WORKED OUT NP ITS THE NAME CHANGING THAT NEEDS ADDRESSING
NEEDS TO BE LIKE NOW WHERE U CAN CHANGE YR DISPLAY NAME BUT ALSO PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO SHOW YR LOGIN BUT THOSE WHO DONT KNOW ABT THAT PART GET CONFUSED AND ARE ALL WTF IS GOIN ON HERE AND THEN YOU GIGGLE CAUSE UR L33T
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:35 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Well as has been stated, this is a work in progress and right now I believe it's all about functionality, not presentation
as has been stated, it's not functioning for a lot of people.
-- chicago kevin is still a little dizzy, February 21st, 2007 8:36 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
No probs with functionality on my end, I just ain't switching yet til the layout/spacing is tweaked/reduced.
xp
-- they be stealin' kingfish's bucket, February 21st, 2007 8:36 PM. (kingfish) (later)
When did Old ILX break? I thought it was taken down because of Jon's antics.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:36 PM. (jaymc) (later)
xp The sandbox functions just fine.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), Today 8:34 PM. (jaymc) (later)
xxpost, it's already been mentioned why the sandbox is temporary and why it will eventually break like old ilx.
-- Ms Misery (missmisery7...), Today 8:35 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
or jw will actually delete it all.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:37 PM. (grady) (later)
jhoshea otm.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:38 PM. (grady) (later)
No probs with functionality on my end, I just ain't switching yet til the layout/spacing is tweaked/reduced.
Ditto. Although I don't know anybody who has a problem with the traditional layout, so I don't know that it makes sense to make changes just to make changes.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:38 PM. (jaymc) (later)
it broke like everyday u poxy fule
xp
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:38 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Not lately.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:39 PM. (jaymc) (later)
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 8:40 PM. (ooo) (later)
John, don't argue about computer things, you're going to lose.
-- danno martinez, February 21st, 2007 8:40 PM. (danno martinez) (later)
jaymc, the pages are built differently so they aren't going to look exactly alike, straight out of the box.
nuIlx was in the works long before Jon's recent tantrum.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:40 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
ooh there's pretty blue stuff when u quote sum1??
-- ogo, February 21st, 2007 8:41 PM. (gcannon) (later)
John, JW's hacks were way down the line of reasons ILX had to go! Crikey, we've only been talking about it for years, what with all the poxy fuling of yore and the break-downs and the times when everything would just be haywire. The original code was never meant to do what it does now, and it'll always break sooner or later under stress. THAT'S why it's been remade.
Hahah SLOOOOW
-- Laurel, February 21st, 2007 8:41 PM. (Laurel) (later)
ILXsupport.xls
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:41 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
hilarious thread everyone, there are starving children in africa etc.
-- ogo, February 21st, 2007 8:42 PM. (gcannon) (later)
I thought when ILX came back at the beginning of January, that WAS Nu-ILX. (Fair point, Dan.)
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:42 PM. (jaymc) (later)
been waiting 10 minutes + for my password email
-- DJ Martian, February 21st, 2007 8:43 PM. (djmartian) (later)
anyway NICE WORK stet et al, thx much.
the spacing and the username stuff has to go back the way it was tho, srsly
-- ogo, February 21st, 2007 8:44 PM. (gcannon) (later)
If we could tighten things up to something like this
I'd be happy.
-- they be stealin' kingfish's bucket, February 21st, 2007 8:44 PM. (kingfish) (later)
xxxpost, I believe that was old code on new server.
Martian, Stet's already mentioned the sendmail is choking and slowing that down.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:44 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
nuILX is for the (starving) children (in Africa).
Morb, read one thread (and/or buy one bifocals) - stet already mentioned the e-mail notification bottleneck!
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:45 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
another great reason to register
Thanks to everyone involved for making this happen. I'm looking forward to getting used to it...
Pye Poudre on Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:30 (11 minutes ago)
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 8:45 PM. (ooo) (later)
Ha - slip on my part, confusing Martian w/ Morbius. SQUEEE
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:46 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
will my firewall situation be resolved when the "front door is open"?
also RIP trackbacks ;_; i just learned abt u and was gettin used to u. i didnt know u long but u were cool and u will be missed ;_;.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:48 PM. (grady) (later)
Well as has been stated, this is a work in progress and right now I believe it's all about functionality, not presentation
I guess I understand this, but what's the point of unveiling it early when it's still a literal eyesore? It's not like we can SEE the functionality.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:48 PM. (jaymc) (later)
sure you can! every time you post something, read something INTERACT WITH THE PAGE!
I can't speak to the whys of it being put out there now, but just go with the flow, you know? I'm sure all will be worked out in time.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:49 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
so as we can bitch abt it duh
xp
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:50 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Unread Messages
DON'T ASK QUESTIONS JOHN.
-- chicago kevin is still a little dizzy, February 21st, 2007 8:51 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
i for one am staying right here. i've had enough of this back and forth with all the problems and complaining and jon and everyone arguing all the time and i am just staying put. ;_; for now.
-- ogo, February 21st, 2007 8:51 PM. (gcannon) (later)
In terms of me typing an answer, pressing submit, and having it appear in the thread, you're right, it works, it's functional. But so did Old ILX and so does Sandbox ILX. What kind of functionality are we supposed to be impressed by?
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:52 PM. (jaymc) (later)
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
No match for "ILXCLASSIC.COM".
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:53:30 UTC <<<
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:54 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I'm stayin here for now too I think
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 8:54 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
xxpost
it's completely new code, built entirely differently, the biggest change ilx has undergone since leaving greenspan. this is more about making sure things work as planned rather than impressing us.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:55 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
Why doesn't nuILX just look exactly like oldILX?
Wouldn't that have been the easiest decision as far as design?
-- milo, February 21st, 2007 8:55 PM. (milo) (later)
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 7:22 PM. (stet) (later)
wait you're kidding
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 7:25 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
Nope.
-- Ned Raggett, February 21st, 2007 7:26 PM. (Ned) (later)
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-- chicago kevin says fuck this, it's noodle time., February 21st, 2007 7:29 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
THE FONT ARGHH!!!
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:31 PM. (ex machina) (later)
BRING BACK HTML
-- a_p, February 21st, 2007 7:31 PM. (a_p) (later)
did you use this link?
http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/
also, disable css
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:32 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
let the user id landgrab begin!
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 7:32 PM. (edward iii) (later)
works for me but ugh, yeah the font...
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:32 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
still doesn't work for me. so i guess this is good bye. ;_;
-- chicago kevin says fuck this, it's noodle time., February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
for real, that font unreadable
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
sandbox 4 life
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (ex machina) (later)
can we not change user name (as opposed to login) as previously?
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
I don't bitch too much about ilx type stuff all that often but it is really really hideously ugly.
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BRING BACK TIMES NEW ROMAN
-- ice bat f/k/a xero, February 21st, 2007 7:33 PM. (ice bat f/k/a xero) (later)
DISABLE CSS! geez people. . .
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:34 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:34 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I don't know what that means
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:34 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
DISABLE CSS! geez people. . .
-- Ms Misery (missmisery7...)
Sorry I don't want to have to set this up for every browser I ever use, you fucking fuck.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (ex machina) (later)
(um disabling css that is - well okay I know it means disable cascading style sheets but I dunno how to do it.)
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
ok did anyone else have troubles just registering because it is next to impossible to read the letters??
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
can't login
is ugly
likely to be made worse by one of jon's tantrums
etc etc
-- coz larry, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (bundgee) (later)
holy shit jon and I agree on somethin
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
no. bring back nothing. it honest to god is barely even readable with the style sheet turned on, if you disable it, as Ms Misery suggested, it's practically A-OK all around.
but I don't want to have to turn CSS on and off and on and off to use ILX and the rest of the internet. just get rid of the stylesheet altogether.
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 7:35 PM. (trm) (later)
"ok did anyone else have troubles just registering because it is next to impossible to read the letters??"
yep - had to do it 3 times.
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
Formatting help
For strong text, use: [b]your text[/b]
For emphasised text, use: [i]your text[/i]
For strikethrough text, use: [strike]your text[/strike]
For block quotes, use: [quote]your text[/quote]
For images, use: [image]http://www.website.com/yourimage.jpeg[/image]
For a horizontal line, use: [hline]
For hyperlinks, use: [link My Link Title]http://www.mywebsite.com/mylink.html[/link]
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
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-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I can tell I'm going to have zero patience for people complaining about a. issues that have already been noted are not finished b. something new that someone else did on their own time. If you don't like it, go make your own!
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
How about THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK GUYS
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (edward iii) (later)
and that, ladies and gents, is why we don't have html anymore
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 7:36 PM. (trm) (later)
xpost to the spoiled five-y.o. who runs brooklyn
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 7:37 PM. (trm) (later)
WILLIAMSBURG RIP
-- coz larry, February 21st, 2007 7:37 PM. (bundgee) (later)
There are plenty of perfectly good html sanitizers
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:38 PM. (ex machina) (later)
yeah, really jon--it's more or less your fault the nuILX had to go up looking like this.
-- METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE, February 21st, 2007 7:38 PM. (scarymonster) (later)
THANKS FOR WORKING SO HARD TO MAKE SOMETHING SO UNUSABLE, IT MUST HAVE BEEN BACK-BREAKING WORK BUT IT'S A RESOUNDING SUCCESS.
-- chicago kevin says fuck this, it's noodle time., February 21st, 2007 7:38 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
I invented CSS and I can destroy CSS
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (ex machina) (later)
maybe these questions should have been asked openly
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (ex machina) (later)
IT WAS PROBABLY LOADS AND LOADS OF HARD WORK AND YOU DID IT FOR FREE FUCK YOU ARGHHH
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (edward iii) (later)
thread title should read "almost ready"
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
yeah, really jon--it's more or less your fault the nuILX had to go up looking like this.
-- METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (jessi...), Today. (later)
haha
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:39 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
if jon spent more time working on his personal relationships, ilx would look good
NEVER FORGET, RIP, LOL, ETC
-- coz larry, February 21st, 2007 7:40 PM. (bundgee) (later)
JON WILLIAMS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 20 POINT BOOKMAN OLD FACE
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 7:40 PM. (trm) (later)
how do you change your password?
-- JordanC, February 21st, 2007 7:40 PM. (JordanC) (later)
lol @ spoiled 5 yo who runs brooklyn
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 7:40 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
-- PPlains, February 21st, 2007 7:41 PM. (PPlains) (later)
Preferences
Change Password
Show Images
Time zone:
ughhh
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:42 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:43 PM. (ex machina) (later)
those are some serious preferences, i am overwhelmed with customizable options
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:44 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
Nevermind, preferences wasn't showing up under the first 'more' like I followed.
-- JordanC, February 21st, 2007 7:44 PM. (JordanC) (later)
let the user id landgrab begin!
yeah, what about this...
-- Spencer Chow, February 21st, 2007 7:44 PM. (spencermfi) (later)
I appreciate all the hard work, but this just doesn't seem ready.
-- Spencer Chow, February 21st, 2007 7:45 PM. (spencermfi) (later)
QUESTION:
Why do you guys break heart all of the time?
-- Nude Spock, February 21st, 2007 7:46 PM. (Buddha) (later)
each others, I mean?
-- Nude Spock, February 21st, 2007 7:46 PM. (Buddha) (later)
THANK YOU
-- ice bat f/k/a xero, February 21st, 2007 7:46 PM. (ice bat f/k/a xero) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:47 PM. (ex machina) (later)
login links broken all over
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:47 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I hope I don't have to find out what CSS is.
Looks like it might be a good year to give up boardz for Lent!
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 7:48 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
I'm sure a lot of hard work went into scripting nuILX, but seeing as it's a crippled bastard changeling of the one I know, uglier and with fewer features and NO HTML, I don't really appreciate the work at all!
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:49 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
This is good group QA, dudes.
-- JordanC, February 21st, 2007 7:49 PM. (JordanC) (later)
I can't login.
http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/j_security_check
gives me a reset connection
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:50 PM. (ex machina) (later)
remind me again exactly what is wrong with the lix sandbox??
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 7:50 PM. (ooo) (later)
remind me again exactly what is wrong with the lix sandbox??
run by nazis who like java?
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:50 PM. (ex machina) (later)
works ok for me & doesnt look like shit
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 7:51 PM. (ooo) (later)
HTTP Status 404 - /ILX/j_security_check
type Status report
message /ILX/j_security_check
description The requested resource (/ILX/j_security_check) is not available.
Apache Tomcat/5.5.20
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:52 PM. (ex machina) (later)
J SECURITY CHECK
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:52 PM. (ex machina) (later)
nazis who like java
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 7:53 PM. (ooo) (later)
this is hilarious.
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 7:53 PM. (526) (later)
I'm sure a lot of hard work went into scripting nuILX, but seeing as it's a crippled bastard changeling of the one I know, uglier and with fewer features and NO HTML, I don't really appreciate the work at all!
It's more secure from Jon, which means I don't have to run around fixing old holes in code that he's "helpfully" pointing out. It also won't take up 100% of the processor power on the one small server we have, so we won't be back at the poxy fule every 4pm we had late last year. The ilx sandbox is none of these things.
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 7:53 PM. (stet) (later)
JON YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED
YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING THE INEFFICIENCY OF THE NETWORK
YOU MUST BE PURGED
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:54 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
ethan, eventually, once the posts build up, sandbox will be subject to the same breaks and poxyfules as the old ilx. it's the same old, broken code.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 7:54 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
first rule of IT: the only thing users hate more than the old system is the new system
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 7:56 PM. (edward iii) (later)
second rule of IT: uh, ask your users about their preferences before changing things!
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 7:57 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:58 PM. (ex machina) (later)
fuck you nazis
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:58 PM. (ex machina) (later)
that's your hstencil jr squat that was banned, isn't it?
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 7:59 PM. (stet) (later)
I can't believe I paypalled hard-earned US dollars to you fucks so you could "protect ILX against Jon." What a fucking scam; I am such a dupe.
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 7:59 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
Well, the one i registered to my domain DIDN'T ARRIVE.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 7:59 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I haven't really been paying attention to this but I'm kinda shocked to find out that the new code's main advantage is that it can't be hacked by one of our own users?! wtf jon
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 8:00 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
"Protect ILX again rules of good taste"
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:00 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I haven't really been paying attention to this but I'm kinda shocked to find out that the new code's main advantage is that it can't be hacked by one of our own users?! wtf jon
remains to be seen
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:00 PM. (ex machina) (later)
oooh get him
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 8:01 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
fuck you guys seriously.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:01 PM. (ex machina) (later)
i would rather have old ilx be up like 60% of the time and get poxyfuled the other 40% than have new ilx up 100% of the time
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 8:01 PM. (ooo) (later)
I can't believe I paypalled hard-earned US dollars to you fucks so you could "protect ILX against Jon." What a fucking scam; I am such a dupe.
UH, no, you paypalled it so we could buy a server after Andrew took his old one away. The amount of cash that was left over after that was a negative sum, so all the code and work is for free.
The old code could have stayed up for a bit longer, as the new server had plenty of headroom. But Jon fucked about with its many security holes, so we moved to the new more secure code, like he was obviously demanding.
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:01 PM. (stet) (later)
Login failed. repeatedly. I give up for now.
Also, the default text size is too big.
-- Spencer Chow, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (spencermfi) (later)
If you're going to ban me, you should be upfront instead of lying, you java-using nazis
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I can't register. It keeps giving me an error message.
ILX for me no mo :(
-- C J, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (C J) (later)
he demanded bookman font? JON YOU BASTARD
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
Login failed. repeatedly. I give up for now.
Fuck this. fuck you guys. PEACE!
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:02 PM. (ex machina) (later)
CRYING EAGLE BOOKMAN.JPG
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:03 PM. (ex machina) (later)
wait are you really banning jon?
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:03 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
this is the funniest thing ive seen in ages:D
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (526) (later)
"protect against Jon" really means "protect against any and all malicious and unauthorized use" but the only person who's ever been so hard up about internet bullshit to actually hack this place is, in fact, Jon, plus his name is nice and short and easy to type.
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (trm) (later)
bad explanation for weak sauce, stet dude. demonize jon all you want, your code still sucks choad.
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
than have new ilx up 100% of the time
It's been up for less than an hour! Give it some time!
second rule of IT: uh, ask your users about their preferences before changing things!
you've obv. never worked in IT.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
if all he's doing is running around causing massive problems for our coders (who are working for free) than fuck yes ban him.
not that anyone cares what I think.
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 8:04 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
-- a_p, February 21st, 2007 8:05 PM. (a_p) (later)
did you just call me "stet dude?"
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 8:05 PM. (trm) (later)
you've obv. never worked in IT.
-- Ms Misery (missmisery7...), February 21st, 2007.
Yeah it was a joke!
-- Dead Dylan Thomas, February 21st, 2007 8:05 PM. (Party with me Punker) (later)
pity the bookies wouldnt take bets on a histrionic all round meltdown as soon as it came back
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 8:05 PM. (526) (later)
This pissing and moaning is hilarious, dudes! Keep it up!
-- danno martinez, February 21st, 2007 8:06 PM. (danno martinez) (later)
CJ, just FYI: when my login was failing repeatedly it was because I was putting my screen-name in the field instead of the email address as requested.
-- Laurel, February 21st, 2007 8:06 PM. (Laurel) (later)
when you get banned it should have a huge ;_; and say like u banned! or something.
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:06 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Well, that was one of the reasons, anyway. But the other one was ALSO my own fault.
-- Laurel, February 21st, 2007 8:07 PM. (Laurel) (later)
guys jhoshea is otm
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 8:07 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
this board is full of whiners
-- max, February 21st, 2007 8:07 PM. (maxreax) (later)
in the meantime i will produce a serious magick greasemonkey thing for this but i need only ONE (one) feature request—allow new answers and actual thread pages to display post times and dates as absolutes (or even absolutes relative to current user time) as opposed to relative (i.e. "2 minutes ago"). Alternately, I note that msgs in each thread are given a messageid relative just to that thread — plz to also display (in a hidden html element even, like, uh, a hidden form element maybe, or in the "name" attribute of the anchor links) in the new answers page, the msg id of the last post in each thread.
Should be relatively low overhead and it will let me script up a quick user-side "unread answers" functionality (which will be coupled with user-side "#unread" functionality too!)
-- sterl clover, February 21st, 2007 8:07 PM. (s_clover) (later)
also yeah i will make a greasemonkey stylesheet thing to make this look super like the old ilx.
-- sterl clover, February 21st, 2007 8:08 PM. (s_clover) (later)
I am ip banned and cannot register an account on any email or even reach a login form. Have fun with a boring board with shitty code, lying nazi admins and ugly fonts! PEACE
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:08 PM. (ex machina) (later)
-- max, February 21st, 2007 8:08 PM. (maxreax) (later)
Jon, isn't this ironic? Don't you think?
-- Nude Spock, February 21st, 2007 8:09 PM. (Buddha) (later)
i accidentally s=typed my email address wrong and had to settle for jh0shea in the do over.
and while we're making suggestions you should make it so everyone can change their names all the time cause thats one of the fun things.
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:09 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Sterling stop being constructive you fucking hack!
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 8:09 PM. (edward iii) (later)
UH, no, you paypalled it so we could buy a server after Andrew took his old one away
Wait - wasn't that one funded by ILDonations?
-- milo, February 21st, 2007 8:10 PM. (milo) (later)
the def of "ready" is even more elusive than "a couple of days" 'round here
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 8:10 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
jon it is just the internets, be cool
-- Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club., February 21st, 2007 8:10 PM. (Allyzay Eisenschefter) (later)
ha look i made a typo when i was talking abt the typo i made before
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:11 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:11 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I found Jon's choice of hack banning quite amusing but must say the irony of his banning is even better.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:12 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
also can you add "unasked questions" next to unanswered questions? That way I know what we haven't talked about yet.
-- sterl clover, February 21st, 2007 8:13 PM. (s_clover) (later)
Jon, none of those things are true. I've unbanned hstencil jr to be certain.
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:13 PM. (stet) (later)
DONT WORRY HES FROM THE IT DEPARTMENT /cat.jpg
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:13 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
I still don't understand why Jon insists on fucking with the admins and/or doesn't just set up his own noize board elsewhere free from Britishes interference. Obviously he's capable of doing so.
-- milo, February 21st, 2007 8:14 PM. (milo) (later)
he'd like you to think so
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 8:15 PM. (trm) (later)
it seems more obvious to me that he's quite clearly incapable of that
-- TOMB07, February 21st, 2007 8:15 PM. (trm) (later)
sandbox noize board now locked?? ;_;
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 8:15 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
NEW FONT
-- max, February 21st, 2007 8:15 PM. (maxreax) (later)
WE BANNED
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
can we put my ilx meme collage on the home page and add a new board where we can discuss suggested additions plz
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
oh noes i think i saw a tear on the ground. hope you are going to be ok everyone!!!
maybe those that don't make it through, could stay back here in the sandbox.
im sure it'll all work out for you guys in the end though. i'll be thinking of you!
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (526) (later)
not really
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
hstencil was banned?!? :(
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
xp to myself
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Thanks for the help, Laurel, but I'm still getting this error message :
ILX 2
An error has occurred; please try again shortly.
-- C J, February 21st, 2007 8:16 PM. (C J) (later)
ok, I overreacted.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:17 PM. (ex machina) (later)
i just tried to register & it wouldnt let me
fuck this
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 8:17 PM. (ooo) (later)
haha xpost
-- elmo albatross, February 21st, 2007 8:17 PM. (allocryptic) (later)
Ok, I guess I'm not banned despite not being able to register accounts on my domain or my employers domain and all the banned messages? This is a little weird though.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:18 PM. (ex machina) (later)
ok, I overreacted.
-- Del Monte Young (jo...), Today 8:17 PM. (ex machina) (later)
ILEpitaphs
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:19 PM. (grady) (later)
So secure that 50% of people can't login!
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:19 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I can login now, I forgot I wasn't using my new password.
-- Spencer Chow, February 21st, 2007 8:20 PM. (spencermfi) (later)
Does mean the Bambi on Ice show is over? :(
-- 526, February 21st, 2007 8:20 PM. (526) (later)
It's rather impossible to intuit what to enter here on Login page--
User Name (email address):
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 8:21 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
New board has un-American style of showing dates!
-- Little kernel of salty honey, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (crunkleJ) (later)
U SHOULD PUT THE ROUND PARENTHESIS BACK INSTEAD OF THE SQUARE BRACKETS (((((]]]]]]] AROUND THE THREAD INFO
[haha im just funning w/u]
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Oh, it's fucking sendmail choking. Some passwords might take a while to arrive.
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (stet) (later)
Also, we can't changes display names? I don't want to be hstencil junior.
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (ex machina) (later)
Morb, it's not if you read the registration page, & made note of the bit where it said your e-mail address IS your logon name. It's not flashing in neon or wearing pasties, but it's there.
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:22 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
I need neon pasties, bub
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 8:23 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
It's not flashing in neon or wearing pasties, but it's there.
then why would he have seen it?
xpost- see?
-- chicago kevin says fuck this, it's noodle time., February 21st, 2007 8:23 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
what am i doing wrong?
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:23 PM. (grady) (later)
I don't want to be hstencil junior.
SELF INFLICTED WOUND
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 8:24 PM. (edward iii) (later)
OK WHICH LOGIN LINK AIN'T BROKEN
-- Dr Morbius, February 21st, 2007 8:25 PM. (Dr Morbius) (later)
Rick, temporarily, this is running on port 8080, and it's likely that your firewall isn't letting it through...
CJ - are you going to the right URL? The old ones won't work:
http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX
-- KeefW, February 21st, 2007 8:26 PM. (KeefW) (later)
BEST THREAD EVAR!!!!
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:26 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Morb, it's not if you read the registration page, & made note of the bit where it said your e-mail address IS your logon name. It's not flashing in neon or wearing pasties, but it's there.
Morbs does have a point in that its bad UI design. It's like clicking on "Start" to shut down your computer, or having a field label that reads "City (Zip Code):".
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 8:27 PM. (edward iii) (later)
Is it just me or is the linespacing a bit much?
-- they be stealin' kingfish's bucket, February 21st, 2007 8:27 PM. (kingfish) (later)
my firewall let me go to ilxor.com all the time before nuILX.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:27 PM. (grady) (later)
kingfish otm. i finally managed to find some working links though
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:28 PM. (ex machina) (later)
any chance of getting the urls canonicalized to just ilxor.com¿
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:29 PM. (ex machina) (later)
password change page does not * out pword
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:30 PM. (ex machina) (later)
Y IZ NOIZE BOARD LOCKED?
-- Nu-Edward III, February 21st, 2007 8:31 PM. (edward iii) (later)
My main problem with nu-ILX is that everything is too spaced out. You can only see like 10 threads on New Answers at a time because there's a bunch of space between each one. And then within the thread, there's too much space above and below the horizontal line between each post (the line itself is too long, besides). I'm trying not to complain just because it's different, but it has the effect of making my eyes hurt, for real. I guess I just don't understand why it can't look exactly like ILX used to look. At this point, there are no significant advantages that nu-ILX has that would make me want to abandon the sandbox.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:31 PM. (jaymc) (later)
i turned my firewall off and still can't connect.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:32 PM. (grady) (later)
xpost
Well as has been stated, this is a work in progress and right now I believe it's all about functionality, not presentation.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:33 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
try http://ilx.wh3rd.net:8080/ILX/
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:34 PM. (stet) (later)
xp The sandbox functions just fine.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:34 PM. (jaymc) (later)
xpost Ms Misery OTM
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:34 PM. (stet) (later)
xp The sandbox functions just fine.
You might think that. I'm down in its cogs with the grease :(
-- stet, February 21st, 2007 8:34 PM. (stet) (later)
xxpost, it's already been mentioned why the sandbox is temporary and why it will eventually break like old ilx.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:35 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
IM SURE ALL THAT SPACING STUFF WILL BE WORKED OUT NP ITS THE NAME CHANGING THAT NEEDS ADDRESSING
NEEDS TO BE LIKE NOW WHERE U CAN CHANGE YR DISPLAY NAME BUT ALSO PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO SHOW YR LOGIN BUT THOSE WHO DONT KNOW ABT THAT PART GET CONFUSED AND ARE ALL WTF IS GOIN ON HERE AND THEN YOU GIGGLE CAUSE UR L33T
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:35 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Well as has been stated, this is a work in progress and right now I believe it's all about functionality, not presentation
as has been stated, it's not functioning for a lot of people.
-- chicago kevin is still a little dizzy, February 21st, 2007 8:36 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
No probs with functionality on my end, I just ain't switching yet til the layout/spacing is tweaked/reduced.
xp
-- they be stealin' kingfish's bucket, February 21st, 2007 8:36 PM. (kingfish) (later)
When did Old ILX break? I thought it was taken down because of Jon's antics.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:36 PM. (jaymc) (later)
xp The sandbox functions just fine.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), Today 8:34 PM. (jaymc) (later)
xxpost, it's already been mentioned why the sandbox is temporary and why it will eventually break like old ilx.
-- Ms Misery (missmisery7...), Today 8:35 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
or jw will actually delete it all.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:37 PM. (grady) (later)
jhoshea otm.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:38 PM. (grady) (later)
No probs with functionality on my end, I just ain't switching yet til the layout/spacing is tweaked/reduced.
Ditto. Although I don't know anybody who has a problem with the traditional layout, so I don't know that it makes sense to make changes just to make changes.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:38 PM. (jaymc) (later)
it broke like everyday u poxy fule
xp
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:38 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Not lately.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:39 PM. (jaymc) (later)
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 8:40 PM. (ooo) (later)
John, don't argue about computer things, you're going to lose.
-- danno martinez, February 21st, 2007 8:40 PM. (danno martinez) (later)
jaymc, the pages are built differently so they aren't going to look exactly alike, straight out of the box.
nuIlx was in the works long before Jon's recent tantrum.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:40 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
ooh there's pretty blue stuff when u quote sum1??
-- ogo, February 21st, 2007 8:41 PM. (gcannon) (later)
John, JW's hacks were way down the line of reasons ILX had to go! Crikey, we've only been talking about it for years, what with all the poxy fuling of yore and the break-downs and the times when everything would just be haywire. The original code was never meant to do what it does now, and it'll always break sooner or later under stress. THAT'S why it's been remade.
Hahah SLOOOOW
-- Laurel, February 21st, 2007 8:41 PM. (Laurel) (later)
ILXsupport.xls
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:41 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
hilarious thread everyone, there are starving children in africa etc.
-- ogo, February 21st, 2007 8:42 PM. (gcannon) (later)
I thought when ILX came back at the beginning of January, that WAS Nu-ILX. (Fair point, Dan.)
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:42 PM. (jaymc) (later)
been waiting 10 minutes + for my password email
-- DJ Martian, February 21st, 2007 8:43 PM. (djmartian) (later)
anyway NICE WORK stet et al, thx much.
the spacing and the username stuff has to go back the way it was tho, srsly
-- ogo, February 21st, 2007 8:44 PM. (gcannon) (later)
If we could tighten things up to something like this
I'd be happy.
-- they be stealin' kingfish's bucket, February 21st, 2007 8:44 PM. (kingfish) (later)
xxxpost, I believe that was old code on new server.
Martian, Stet's already mentioned the sendmail is choking and slowing that down.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:44 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
nuILX is for the (starving) children (in Africa).
Morb, read one thread (and/or buy one bifocals) - stet already mentioned the e-mail notification bottleneck!
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:45 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
another great reason to register
Thanks to everyone involved for making this happen. I'm looking forward to getting used to it...
Pye Poudre on Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:30 (11 minutes ago)
-- and what, February 21st, 2007 8:45 PM. (ooo) (later)
Ha - slip on my part, confusing Martian w/ Morbius. SQUEEE
-- David RER, February 21st, 2007 8:46 PM. (Frank Fiore) (later)
will my firewall situation be resolved when the "front door is open"?
also RIP trackbacks ;_; i just learned abt u and was gettin used to u. i didnt know u long but u were cool and u will be missed ;_;.
-- Rick Gibralter, February 21st, 2007 8:48 PM. (grady) (later)
Well as has been stated, this is a work in progress and right now I believe it's all about functionality, not presentation
I guess I understand this, but what's the point of unveiling it early when it's still a literal eyesore? It's not like we can SEE the functionality.
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:48 PM. (jaymc) (later)
sure you can! every time you post something, read something INTERACT WITH THE PAGE!
I can't speak to the whys of it being put out there now, but just go with the flow, you know? I'm sure all will be worked out in time.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:49 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
so as we can bitch abt it duh
xp
-- jhoshea, February 21st, 2007 8:50 PM. (jhoshea) (later)
Unread Messages
DON'T ASK QUESTIONS JOHN.
-- chicago kevin is still a little dizzy, February 21st, 2007 8:51 PM. (chicago kevin) (later)
i for one am staying right here. i've had enough of this back and forth with all the problems and complaining and jon and everyone arguing all the time and i am just staying put. ;_; for now.
-- ogo, February 21st, 2007 8:51 PM. (gcannon) (later)
In terms of me typing an answer, pressing submit, and having it appear in the thread, you're right, it works, it's functional. But so did Old ILX and so does Sandbox ILX. What kind of functionality are we supposed to be impressed by?
-- jaymc, February 21st, 2007 8:52 PM. (jaymc) (later)
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
No match for "ILXCLASSIC.COM".
>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:53:30 UTC <<<
-- Del Monte Young, February 21st, 2007 8:54 PM. (ex machina) (later)
I'm stayin here for now too I think
-- Shakey Mo Collier, February 21st, 2007 8:54 PM. (Shakey Mo Collier) (later)
xxpost
it's completely new code, built entirely differently, the biggest change ilx has undergone since leaving greenspan. this is more about making sure things work as planned rather than impressing us.
-- Ms Misery, February 21st, 2007 8:55 PM. (MsMisery) (later)
Why doesn't nuILX just look exactly like oldILX?
Wouldn't that have been the easiest decision as far as design?
-- milo, February 21st, 2007 8:55 PM. (milo) (later)
THE MOST BEAUTIFIST RAINBOW IN THE WORLD IS....
From George Orwell to Franz Kafka, the image of an all-pervasive state and media working in conjunction to control the people has been a powerful one within western culture. The imagery became even more important during the 1970s in West Germany, where the ever-expanding police force and the journalism world seemingly cooperated together to take isolated incidences of terrorism and create a mass hysteria in the public, justifying state abuses of civil powers with sensationalistic news stories and prominent political prisoners. Two of the best films made specifically dealing with the brutality and increasing broadness of terrorist investigations, 1975’s Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum and 1978’s Messer im Kopf, attack the question of how violence--either mental abuse, actual physical harm, or both--can lead to further violence out of desperation and an overwhelming sense of loss of power over one’s own life. However, while Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum seems to almost glorify the vigilante action taken by its heroine, Messer im Kopf takes a more ambiguous approach that leads the viewer to question the idea of truth and justice, and ultimately brings the audience to the question of who should stop this cyclical cruelty in society.
While both films could be enjoyed and analyzed without an introduction to the specific political climate that spawned them, especially in today’s setting of terrorist fears and government intervention, the historical background is important to fully understand the messages the directors are trying to convey. Starting in the late 1960s and lasting throughout the 1970s, domestic terrorism, mainly connected to the extremist group known as the Red Army Faction, was seen as an increasing and severe problem in West Germany. The early domestic terrorist actions, coupled with the international terrorists actions and a spectacularly bungled German police intervention at the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich which led to seventeen deaths, were a major impetus to the newly-empowered Social Democratic Party to reform and technologically modernize the police forces in the early 1970s. The reforms brought a 25 percent expansion in the West German police force and an almost fourfold growth of federal budgetary allocations for police activities, and significant changes in the technology used to track criminal activities: for example, Rasterfahndung, a computer matching system, was developed to scan large amounts of data to identify overlapping “suspicious traits” to attempt to target police work. At one point in the 1970s, Rasterfahndung was utilized with files from West German utility companies, which were scanned to identify customers who paid only in cash or through third parties. Those customers were then scanned to check any residence registration, which was compulsory at the time, automobile registration, and receipt of social security or child care payments, among many criteria. Those who did not receive pensions, were not registered, and had no automobiles from the initial group of people who paid utilities only in cash were then considered to be suspicious persons, and traditional police investigations such as surveillance, would then be concentrated on these individuals. In 1975, the computer programs were expanded to include a method to reconstruct contacts between these suspects and their environment--other people and places they might have had dealings with. The new method included increasingly large segments of the population as potentially relevant to any police investigation, even as mere fringe contacts to a suspect. In other words, the mission of the West German police force was no longer strictly a reactive response to emergencies and current criminal behavior, but also included more invasive “preventative” measures as well.
The increased police surveillance technology was also accompanied by an increased police interaction with the press, specifically the extremely conservative Springer newspapers. Headed by rabid anti-communist Axel Springer, the Springer Press owned over half of West Germany’s newspapers and erected an enormous headquarters building, which blared headlines targeted to “enslaved Germans” in the Eastern Bloc, only yards away from the Berlin Wall. They became infamous for their hysteria-inducing stories and their lynch-justice mentality, often turning their sensationalist accounts of terrorist activity into links to any leftist group. To name just one example, Heinrich Böll, the author of Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum, was heavily defamed by the Springer Press after he advocated the fair trial and safe carriage of Ulrike Meinhof, one of the Red Army Faction leaders. He was then subjected to police surveillance and searches and was denounced by right-wing politicians, despite the fact that Böll was generally an apolitical figure who was never involved in any radical activity. The Böll example of press baiting resulting in disastrous results for the individual was not uncommon; an even earlier example was Rudi Dutschke, the leader of the student radical movement Außer-Parliamentarische Opposition (APO). Dutschke, a popular target of the Springer Press, was shot outside his home on April 11th, 1968, by a young housepainter. The assault was commonly assumed to be political in basis, a form of vigilante justice enacted by a young right-winger after the constant, slanderous attacks on Dutschke by the newspapers. The Springer papers were also known to occasionally print stories about raids on houses, for example, before the raids had actually occurred, resulting in the accusation by many leftists that they were working in conjunction with one another to exacerbate a “witch-hunt mentality” used to justify the violation of civil liberties.
The two forces combined for an atmosphere which social theorist Oskar Negt described as having a “nightmare quality [...] which breeds fear of contact and self-censorship,” particularly for leftist intellectuals and sympathizers but also for the society as a whole. For example, in a 1974 survey, the police force in West Germany had a very good reputation, with 88 percent of the respondents finding them to be very sympathetic or sympathetic. In a survey conducted in 1980, however, the percentage of respondents marking the police as very sympathetic or sympathetic was down to only 41 percent, with only 24 percent of those between fourteen and twenty-nine years old responding positively. While these differences could be partially accounted for by differences in survey techniques--for example, the original study did not cite numbers for age groups, so it is possible the later survey included a far higher number of younger people, who are generally less likely to be sympathetic towards authority and more likely to be left-leaning, than the earlier one did--the data still implies some kind of decrease in public perception of the police as to whether or not their causes and the methods used to catch criminals were considered sympathetic or positive. Additionally, the later survey also indicated that only 15 percent of the population found the West German police to be tolerant, and only 17 percent characterized them as intelligent. The intellectual left was even less positive, warning that the combination of a rabid press confusing the public and a police force with increasing technological capacity and seemingly free reign was leading towards a surveillance of ideas, and not actual criminal activity. Or, in other words, the violent and isolated actions of the Red Army Faction and the need to defend against actual criminal activity had dissipated into a more general blighting of the entire left by the state and the media as potentially dangerous and a possible incitor of violent activity--regardless of whether or not violence was actually being perpetrated.
Heinrich Böll wrote his book, Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum, after his lengthy brush with the Springer Press and police intrusion, which was quickly adapted into film format by Volker Schlöndorff and Maria von Trotta in 1975. The story unfolds over an incredibly short period of time and tells the story of Katharina (Angela Winkler), a young, apolitical, and respectable young woman who starts a love affair with a man believed by police to be heavily involved in underground activities. Katharina helps him briefly elude the police but then finds herself in the middle of an abusive, humiliating investigation and the subject of vicious news stories basically equating her with terrorism. The subtitle of both the written work and the film can be translated as “How Violence can Develop and Where it Can Lead,” and the story details exactly how the intrusion of state power and media manipulation into Katharina’s individual freedom leads her from being a quiet, polite, thoughtful woman to becoming a person who, ultimately, commits murder.
Schlöndorff and von Trotta tends towards utilization of melodrama to achieve their goal. There is a significant amount of black and white in the film: Katharina’s careful and judicious use of the language, even to the point of refusing to sign a police statement until the writer replaces the word “advances” with “tenderness” when describing her lover, starkly contrasts with the brash and abusive journalist Tötges (Dieter Laser), who continually refers to Katharina by the insulting and childish diminutive, Blumchen. The world here is mainly made up of good people and bad people, the corrupt and the just, though the film notably leaves two ambiguities: Katharina herself and her paramour. While Katharina is an extremely sympathetic figure, it is impossible to discern exactly just how involved she was in hiding a “known criminal,” and just how much she knew of her new boyfriend’s past before the police and journalist intrusion into her life. Her companion, on the other hand, never supplies any information about himself to the viewer in regards to his affiliations of his activities. He is completely unknown, referred to repeatedly as an “anarchist” without any reasoning, and it is apparent by the end of the film that his supposed terrorist activity is less interesting to the police and media than Katharina’s supposed role as an accomplice. The viewer is left with fairly limited information about the actual activities that precluded this investigation and its subsequent consequences, and has to make a judgment call about Katharina based more on the behavior of others than on her own statements and activities.
Schlöndorff and von Trotta, as noted previously, do give the audience a significant amount of ammo to make a judgment favoring Katharina by creating a world that is otherwise fairly unambiguous and slightly surreal. The world of news and state enters Katharina’s sphere in a very memorable scene, where a team which more resembles a guerilla warfare unit than any kind of recognizable police force enters her apartment by force, pointing their semiautomatic rifles right at Katharina, who has just sat down in her bathrobe for some coffee and breakfast. The sight of the slight, young Katharina, not even dressed or washed yet, juxtaposed with a virtual army of force is incredibly comic and jarring. The cops are ostensibly there to arrest Katharina’s friend, who is no longer in the apartment--but even he is somewhat slight, and very young. The sheer size of the group of police deemed necessary to catch these two, and the horrible attitudes they then display towards Katharina, is enough to turn a viewer away from the side of this so-called law and order. Meanwhile, the press is a far worse character to Schlöndorff and von Trotta: Tötges is all but directly blamed for the death of Katharina’s elderly and sickly mother, as he comes to her hospital bed and shows her photos of her blighted daughter and the accompanying headlines. The viewers get to watch Mrs. Blum’s vital signs go haywire as Tötges storms out of the room. Tötges is seen exchanging information with the lead police officer on the case repeatedly and can easily be described as the most reprehensible person in the film, writing story after story that is nothing but lies and exaggerations about Katharina and her acquaintances. The newspaper is the most horrible part of the ordeal for Katharina, because she is now being tried in public as well as in private. By the final scene, when he comes to Katharina’s apartment to convince her to sell her story to the tabloids, trying to gain sexual favors from Katharina while she sits, rigid and distant, in the dead center of a completely destroyed room, a completely destroyed life, the audience wants something hideous to happen to him. No one is saddened when Katharina shoots him point blank, because it is the violence he enacted against Katharina’s mental being that has caused the violence against his physical being. Katharina’s single act of violence was borne out of the despair of realizing that all other solutions to this conflict were impossible.
Reinhard Hauff’s 1978 film, Messer im Kopf, can be seen as both a complete opposite and a compliment to Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum. While Schlöndorff and von Trotta dealt with a black and white depiction of villains and a somewhat ambiguous heroine, Hauff gives the audience a very unambiguously innocent hero in Hoffmann (Bruno Ganz), but a villain that suddenly seems sympathetic by the final shot, while supposedly sympathetic radicals and leftists seem almost like vultures surrounding the struggling hero. Messer im Kopf details the story of a well-known and respected biogeneticist whose estranged wife, Ann (Angela Winkler, again), has become involved with a radical student group. Hoffmann, in an effort to make amends, ends up at the student center the night of a police raid. Panicking, he runs inside to search for Ann and is followed by a young police officer, Schurig (Udo Samel). The officer then shoots Hoffmann in the back of the head, after which Hoffmann is apparently beaten as well, according to a doctor’s report later in the film. The brilliant scientist, when he arises from his coma, is suddenly left having to relearn all of his activities, from speaking onwards, from scratch, while attempting to reconstruct the events of that evening to find out exactly why he was put in this condition.
The film deals very subtly with the issues presented in Katharina Blum. The press is present throughout Messer im Kopf but only in glimpses: the viewer learns while Hoffmann is incapacitated in bed that the press is presenting him as a member of a terrorist organization, restating the police line as to why he was shot--namely, he supposedly stabbed Schurig. No one addresses the question at all as to how Hoffmann could have been in the motion of stabbing Schurig while getting shot in the back of the head. Another scene shows Hoffmann reading a magazine article about the crime, where there is a humorous juxtaposition between a rather goofy, posed shot of Hoffmann in a tuxedo, playing a violin, and a blaring headline accusing the biogeneticist of terrorist activity. At one point in the film, a reporter shows up in the hospital, asking to interview this supposed terrorist--who, at this point, cannot even remember the words to describe foods he wants besides applesauce. His presence in the press is somewhat disconcerting for Hoffmann when he starts to recover, but other people do not seem to mind the presence of the so-called terrorist so much: other patients ask for his autograph on occasion, and a running gag in the film involves an elderly patient gleefully pointing out Hoffmann to his nurse as “the man from the papers” every time he runs across him.
The police behave in a similar fashion to the press, showing up even though Hoffmann has no ability to meaningfully talk and needs rest, despite warning from the doctors to leave him alone. The chief investigator continually shows up at the hospital, trying to feed the still incoherent Hoffmann information and pressure him into making statements. One of the more horrifying sequences involves Hoffmann, still confined to a wheelchair, getting so desperate and frustrated that to get rid of the police officer, he struggles until he has removed his hospital gown and pretend to masturbate, in an attempt to offend the officer and convince him that he is unfit for questioning. Instead, the lead officer merely brings in Schurig to the room to “confirm” that Hoffmann is the man who stabbed him, increasing Hoffmann’s embarassment and alienation. Interestingly, though, while the lead officer on the case is clearly and repeatedly presented as a cold-hearted human being, Schurig starts to seem sympathetic from this very first hospital visit: he is very young and obviously extremely uncomfortable and ashamed of the situation at hand, unlike his boss, who seems to almost revel in humiliating Hoffmann.
The treatment of the left is not particularly more positive than the subtle ridicule of the press and the seemingly monstrous behavior of the lead investigator, which was an intriguing facet of the film. The radical group is mainly represented by Ann and her friend, Volker (Heinz Hönig). It quickly becomes apparent in the film that Ann and Volker are in a relationship, and that Volker caused the rift between Hoffmann and Ann that indirectly resulted in the entire mess. Volker is the leader of the student group that was being raided the evening Hoffmann was shot, and decides that Hoffmann is a perfect vessel for pushing the radical agenda, and he, like the lead police investigator, starts feeding Hoffmann information to “jog his memory,” which in honesty meant create a memory, since all memory of the night was erased from Hoffmann’s mind. His manipulative behavior seems little better than the behaviors of other, more traditionally ominous characters, especially considering that while he’s trying to convince Hoffmann to help him, he’s also stealing his wife. Or, as Hoffmann himself puts it in one of the very first things he says to Volker upon regaining ability to talk, “I play violin, or with knives. Volker plays with Ann.”
It is worth noting that, despite all of Volker’s sudden intentions, Hoffmann was never considered part of the radical movement. He had no dealings with this group prior to his shooting, except to come and occasionally see Ann. Few people in the center can recall him at all. Even though Hoffmann had no dealings with this group though, Hoffmann is the one who ended up gravely injured and declared the most dangerous terrorist of the group in the aftermath of the raid, by virtue of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It seems that the student center here serves as a microcosm of the greater leftist movement for Hauff, a concrete version of what Oskar Negt referred to as the “hazard zone” of surveillance: “whoever enters this area for any length of time does not need to provide any special reason for being considered suspect. He or she is already under suspicion.” Or, in the words of one Prussian police chief, “first the criminal must be found, then the crime will find itself.” Hoffmann, by virtue of a single bullet shot by an inexperienced officer, is now the criminal to be defended or prosecuted.
Despite all the seeming distractions and accusations, Hoffmann does recover fairly successfully, but he cannot quite recall the events of the night he was shot. He starts to believe the press reports and police claims, and starts to become certain that he did stab Schurig. After he asserts this to his doctor, the doctor asks him to draw a knife, but Hoffmann is unable to--he does not actually remember what a knife is, despite very positively telling people that he did, indeed, use a knife to stab another man. The doctor goes on to explain that there was absolutely no knife found in the room--the only knife to be found in this situation is the figurative knife that has been permanently inserted in the back of Hoffmann’s head, disabling him for an unknowable amount of time. From this point forward, the viewer gets to watch Hoffmann become increasingly angry, and the anger coupled with confusion starts to emulate the same level of despair and powerlessness seen from Katharina Blum. Where Katharina slips and has to admit to an intensely personal story of night-driving in Katharina Blum, Hoffmann finds himself making an incredibly nonsensical speech in front of a throng of reporters on his release from the hospital, which he ends by suddenly spitting out, “To all the police watching, you’ll be hearing from me.” Where Katharina destroys her own apartment systematically out of frustration, Hoffmann threatens Ann and Volker with a knife and then runs from his own home. And Hoffmann, like Katharina, seeks out a meeting with the person who caused him all of this pain to begin with.
The meeting between Schurig and Hoffmann, unlike the meeting between Katharina and Tötges, is not at all clear cut, however, nor is the outcome certain. After a confrontation with the lead police officer, where he is told “[the police] are not interested in you anymore, we do not want to talk to you,” Hoffmann just wants his question answered--why did the police officer lie?--but once in the man’s apartment, it becomes much more of a game. Schurig is terrified and tries to prove he was actually harmed in the scuffle, showing off a miniscule scar on his stomach that does not impress Hoffmann very much. He asks Schurig again why he lied, and Schurig gives in: no one ever asked him. He did not lie, he did not hide anything. He merely never answered questions that he was never asked. This brief omission is very powerful, because of the very subtle but strong point it makes in regards to the West German police force and exactly why civil liberties and political tolerance were such an important sticking point in the leftist debate: the type of reasoning Schurig is giving here for his innocence is reminiscent of the excuses given by the Durchschnittsbürger after World War II, that no one asked them or they just did not see. Many intellectuals of the 1970s made the point repeatedly about how ominous it was, in a country with a history of bringing the logic of political oppression to its ultimate, extreme conclusion, that this mass hysteria and focus on “sympathizers” and “guilt by association” was developing so strongly.
After this admission of lying by omission, Schurig then emerges from the kitchen with a knife, but while he was searching for the knife, Hoffmann happened upon Schurig’s gun, which is now aimed straight at the young police officer. After an increasingly desperate game of Schurig pleading for mercy and Hoffmann growing more and more cold, the film ends with Hoffmann calmly and rationally pressing the gun into the back of the policeman’s head as he lies prone on the floor, saying “Ich bin du”: I am you.
The ending of the film is chilling and uncertain, which serves Hauff well. The audience, who has spent the entire film rooting for Hoffmann to triumph over adversity and prove himself innocent, is now confronted with a supposed villain who amounted to nothing more than a nervous young man who made a mistake and was also manipulated. Schurig, a married man with a nice middle-class lifestyle, tries to defend himself but only halfheartedly; he contrasts very sharply with Schlöndorff and von Trotta’s Tötges, who, with his promiscuity and bad, flashy clothes, has all the stereotypical “sleazy bad guy” markings of melodramatic cinema, and who actually tries to propose to Katharina that he made her life better by giving her fame, as opposed to destroying it. Schurig is an apologetic, scared figure, and it is impossible for an audience member to root for Hoffmann to kill him. The scene of Hoffmann with the gun only lasts a minute or two in the film but seems to last for hours because of the high level of discomfort it causes.
Ultimately, it is this pervasive ambiguity that makes Messer im Kopf the stronger statement in terms of the query put forth by Heinrich Böll: How does violence develop, and where can it lead? In Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum, the violence that develops is entirely mental, and it leads to an action that one would be hard-pressed not to sympathize with: an abused, slandered, and disenfranchised young woman murdering the lecherous journalist who destroyed her life. Schlöndorff and von Trotta, by making so many of their characters stereotypes of good and bad, make it very easy for the viewer to not just expect vigilante justice against the “bad guy,” but root for it. There is no overwhelming feeling that the cycle should stop; despite the directors’ objections, it does not seem like they are particularly against violence. In contrast, Hauff shows exactly how violence develops and where it leads, in a very similar process to the one experienced by Katharina Blum, except that when the audience gets to the expected vigilante denouement, no one wants Hoffmann to pull the trigger. The viewer has seen a radical behaving just as cynically and manipulatively as a head investigator, a police officer who has also been manipulated by the press. The world seems less black and white in Messer im Kopf, and Hoffmann’s desperation to regain his sense of power seems sadistic in this universe.
In short, Hauff seems concerned, more than anything else, with reflecting on the type of idea posited by the 1977 film Deutschland im Herbst (which, incidentally, featured a segment directed by Volker Schlöndorff and lists Heinrich Böll on the writing credits): when cruelly arrives at a certain point, it is no longer important who initiated it, it should only stop. By shooting his assailant, Hoffmann would actually become more sadistic in the viewer’s eyes than the assailant was, as it has now become obvious that this young man did what he did due to fear and inexperience and did not mean to shoot Hoffmann in the head, and was not involved with the subsequent beating Hoffmann received at the student center. He would have his revenge only in an impotent, bitter fashion--the system that created the situation would still be in place, the pathology of antiterrorist hysteria still extant. In the end, the two men do not become like Katharina and Tötges, symbolizing heroes and villains, or good causes and bad causes, but they remain as two individuals trapped inside of a society in a state of fear. The image of two otherwise completely respectable men trapped in such a horrific game of Russian roulette speaks strongly about the state of society and just how powerless even seemingly powerful men, like policemen and wealthy scientists, can become when the state and the media become too pervasive in the lives of the individual.
While both films could be enjoyed and analyzed without an introduction to the specific political climate that spawned them, especially in today’s setting of terrorist fears and government intervention, the historical background is important to fully understand the messages the directors are trying to convey. Starting in the late 1960s and lasting throughout the 1970s, domestic terrorism, mainly connected to the extremist group known as the Red Army Faction, was seen as an increasing and severe problem in West Germany. The early domestic terrorist actions, coupled with the international terrorists actions and a spectacularly bungled German police intervention at the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich which led to seventeen deaths, were a major impetus to the newly-empowered Social Democratic Party to reform and technologically modernize the police forces in the early 1970s. The reforms brought a 25 percent expansion in the West German police force and an almost fourfold growth of federal budgetary allocations for police activities, and significant changes in the technology used to track criminal activities: for example, Rasterfahndung, a computer matching system, was developed to scan large amounts of data to identify overlapping “suspicious traits” to attempt to target police work. At one point in the 1970s, Rasterfahndung was utilized with files from West German utility companies, which were scanned to identify customers who paid only in cash or through third parties. Those customers were then scanned to check any residence registration, which was compulsory at the time, automobile registration, and receipt of social security or child care payments, among many criteria. Those who did not receive pensions, were not registered, and had no automobiles from the initial group of people who paid utilities only in cash were then considered to be suspicious persons, and traditional police investigations such as surveillance, would then be concentrated on these individuals. In 1975, the computer programs were expanded to include a method to reconstruct contacts between these suspects and their environment--other people and places they might have had dealings with. The new method included increasingly large segments of the population as potentially relevant to any police investigation, even as mere fringe contacts to a suspect. In other words, the mission of the West German police force was no longer strictly a reactive response to emergencies and current criminal behavior, but also included more invasive “preventative” measures as well.
The increased police surveillance technology was also accompanied by an increased police interaction with the press, specifically the extremely conservative Springer newspapers. Headed by rabid anti-communist Axel Springer, the Springer Press owned over half of West Germany’s newspapers and erected an enormous headquarters building, which blared headlines targeted to “enslaved Germans” in the Eastern Bloc, only yards away from the Berlin Wall. They became infamous for their hysteria-inducing stories and their lynch-justice mentality, often turning their sensationalist accounts of terrorist activity into links to any leftist group. To name just one example, Heinrich Böll, the author of Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum, was heavily defamed by the Springer Press after he advocated the fair trial and safe carriage of Ulrike Meinhof, one of the Red Army Faction leaders. He was then subjected to police surveillance and searches and was denounced by right-wing politicians, despite the fact that Böll was generally an apolitical figure who was never involved in any radical activity. The Böll example of press baiting resulting in disastrous results for the individual was not uncommon; an even earlier example was Rudi Dutschke, the leader of the student radical movement Außer-Parliamentarische Opposition (APO). Dutschke, a popular target of the Springer Press, was shot outside his home on April 11th, 1968, by a young housepainter. The assault was commonly assumed to be political in basis, a form of vigilante justice enacted by a young right-winger after the constant, slanderous attacks on Dutschke by the newspapers. The Springer papers were also known to occasionally print stories about raids on houses, for example, before the raids had actually occurred, resulting in the accusation by many leftists that they were working in conjunction with one another to exacerbate a “witch-hunt mentality” used to justify the violation of civil liberties.
The two forces combined for an atmosphere which social theorist Oskar Negt described as having a “nightmare quality [...] which breeds fear of contact and self-censorship,” particularly for leftist intellectuals and sympathizers but also for the society as a whole. For example, in a 1974 survey, the police force in West Germany had a very good reputation, with 88 percent of the respondents finding them to be very sympathetic or sympathetic. In a survey conducted in 1980, however, the percentage of respondents marking the police as very sympathetic or sympathetic was down to only 41 percent, with only 24 percent of those between fourteen and twenty-nine years old responding positively. While these differences could be partially accounted for by differences in survey techniques--for example, the original study did not cite numbers for age groups, so it is possible the later survey included a far higher number of younger people, who are generally less likely to be sympathetic towards authority and more likely to be left-leaning, than the earlier one did--the data still implies some kind of decrease in public perception of the police as to whether or not their causes and the methods used to catch criminals were considered sympathetic or positive. Additionally, the later survey also indicated that only 15 percent of the population found the West German police to be tolerant, and only 17 percent characterized them as intelligent. The intellectual left was even less positive, warning that the combination of a rabid press confusing the public and a police force with increasing technological capacity and seemingly free reign was leading towards a surveillance of ideas, and not actual criminal activity. Or, in other words, the violent and isolated actions of the Red Army Faction and the need to defend against actual criminal activity had dissipated into a more general blighting of the entire left by the state and the media as potentially dangerous and a possible incitor of violent activity--regardless of whether or not violence was actually being perpetrated.
Heinrich Böll wrote his book, Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum, after his lengthy brush with the Springer Press and police intrusion, which was quickly adapted into film format by Volker Schlöndorff and Maria von Trotta in 1975. The story unfolds over an incredibly short period of time and tells the story of Katharina (Angela Winkler), a young, apolitical, and respectable young woman who starts a love affair with a man believed by police to be heavily involved in underground activities. Katharina helps him briefly elude the police but then finds herself in the middle of an abusive, humiliating investigation and the subject of vicious news stories basically equating her with terrorism. The subtitle of both the written work and the film can be translated as “How Violence can Develop and Where it Can Lead,” and the story details exactly how the intrusion of state power and media manipulation into Katharina’s individual freedom leads her from being a quiet, polite, thoughtful woman to becoming a person who, ultimately, commits murder.
Schlöndorff and von Trotta tends towards utilization of melodrama to achieve their goal. There is a significant amount of black and white in the film: Katharina’s careful and judicious use of the language, even to the point of refusing to sign a police statement until the writer replaces the word “advances” with “tenderness” when describing her lover, starkly contrasts with the brash and abusive journalist Tötges (Dieter Laser), who continually refers to Katharina by the insulting and childish diminutive, Blumchen. The world here is mainly made up of good people and bad people, the corrupt and the just, though the film notably leaves two ambiguities: Katharina herself and her paramour. While Katharina is an extremely sympathetic figure, it is impossible to discern exactly just how involved she was in hiding a “known criminal,” and just how much she knew of her new boyfriend’s past before the police and journalist intrusion into her life. Her companion, on the other hand, never supplies any information about himself to the viewer in regards to his affiliations of his activities. He is completely unknown, referred to repeatedly as an “anarchist” without any reasoning, and it is apparent by the end of the film that his supposed terrorist activity is less interesting to the police and media than Katharina’s supposed role as an accomplice. The viewer is left with fairly limited information about the actual activities that precluded this investigation and its subsequent consequences, and has to make a judgment call about Katharina based more on the behavior of others than on her own statements and activities.
Schlöndorff and von Trotta, as noted previously, do give the audience a significant amount of ammo to make a judgment favoring Katharina by creating a world that is otherwise fairly unambiguous and slightly surreal. The world of news and state enters Katharina’s sphere in a very memorable scene, where a team which more resembles a guerilla warfare unit than any kind of recognizable police force enters her apartment by force, pointing their semiautomatic rifles right at Katharina, who has just sat down in her bathrobe for some coffee and breakfast. The sight of the slight, young Katharina, not even dressed or washed yet, juxtaposed with a virtual army of force is incredibly comic and jarring. The cops are ostensibly there to arrest Katharina’s friend, who is no longer in the apartment--but even he is somewhat slight, and very young. The sheer size of the group of police deemed necessary to catch these two, and the horrible attitudes they then display towards Katharina, is enough to turn a viewer away from the side of this so-called law and order. Meanwhile, the press is a far worse character to Schlöndorff and von Trotta: Tötges is all but directly blamed for the death of Katharina’s elderly and sickly mother, as he comes to her hospital bed and shows her photos of her blighted daughter and the accompanying headlines. The viewers get to watch Mrs. Blum’s vital signs go haywire as Tötges storms out of the room. Tötges is seen exchanging information with the lead police officer on the case repeatedly and can easily be described as the most reprehensible person in the film, writing story after story that is nothing but lies and exaggerations about Katharina and her acquaintances. The newspaper is the most horrible part of the ordeal for Katharina, because she is now being tried in public as well as in private. By the final scene, when he comes to Katharina’s apartment to convince her to sell her story to the tabloids, trying to gain sexual favors from Katharina while she sits, rigid and distant, in the dead center of a completely destroyed room, a completely destroyed life, the audience wants something hideous to happen to him. No one is saddened when Katharina shoots him point blank, because it is the violence he enacted against Katharina’s mental being that has caused the violence against his physical being. Katharina’s single act of violence was borne out of the despair of realizing that all other solutions to this conflict were impossible.
Reinhard Hauff’s 1978 film, Messer im Kopf, can be seen as both a complete opposite and a compliment to Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum. While Schlöndorff and von Trotta dealt with a black and white depiction of villains and a somewhat ambiguous heroine, Hauff gives the audience a very unambiguously innocent hero in Hoffmann (Bruno Ganz), but a villain that suddenly seems sympathetic by the final shot, while supposedly sympathetic radicals and leftists seem almost like vultures surrounding the struggling hero. Messer im Kopf details the story of a well-known and respected biogeneticist whose estranged wife, Ann (Angela Winkler, again), has become involved with a radical student group. Hoffmann, in an effort to make amends, ends up at the student center the night of a police raid. Panicking, he runs inside to search for Ann and is followed by a young police officer, Schurig (Udo Samel). The officer then shoots Hoffmann in the back of the head, after which Hoffmann is apparently beaten as well, according to a doctor’s report later in the film. The brilliant scientist, when he arises from his coma, is suddenly left having to relearn all of his activities, from speaking onwards, from scratch, while attempting to reconstruct the events of that evening to find out exactly why he was put in this condition.
The film deals very subtly with the issues presented in Katharina Blum. The press is present throughout Messer im Kopf but only in glimpses: the viewer learns while Hoffmann is incapacitated in bed that the press is presenting him as a member of a terrorist organization, restating the police line as to why he was shot--namely, he supposedly stabbed Schurig. No one addresses the question at all as to how Hoffmann could have been in the motion of stabbing Schurig while getting shot in the back of the head. Another scene shows Hoffmann reading a magazine article about the crime, where there is a humorous juxtaposition between a rather goofy, posed shot of Hoffmann in a tuxedo, playing a violin, and a blaring headline accusing the biogeneticist of terrorist activity. At one point in the film, a reporter shows up in the hospital, asking to interview this supposed terrorist--who, at this point, cannot even remember the words to describe foods he wants besides applesauce. His presence in the press is somewhat disconcerting for Hoffmann when he starts to recover, but other people do not seem to mind the presence of the so-called terrorist so much: other patients ask for his autograph on occasion, and a running gag in the film involves an elderly patient gleefully pointing out Hoffmann to his nurse as “the man from the papers” every time he runs across him.
The police behave in a similar fashion to the press, showing up even though Hoffmann has no ability to meaningfully talk and needs rest, despite warning from the doctors to leave him alone. The chief investigator continually shows up at the hospital, trying to feed the still incoherent Hoffmann information and pressure him into making statements. One of the more horrifying sequences involves Hoffmann, still confined to a wheelchair, getting so desperate and frustrated that to get rid of the police officer, he struggles until he has removed his hospital gown and pretend to masturbate, in an attempt to offend the officer and convince him that he is unfit for questioning. Instead, the lead officer merely brings in Schurig to the room to “confirm” that Hoffmann is the man who stabbed him, increasing Hoffmann’s embarassment and alienation. Interestingly, though, while the lead officer on the case is clearly and repeatedly presented as a cold-hearted human being, Schurig starts to seem sympathetic from this very first hospital visit: he is very young and obviously extremely uncomfortable and ashamed of the situation at hand, unlike his boss, who seems to almost revel in humiliating Hoffmann.
The treatment of the left is not particularly more positive than the subtle ridicule of the press and the seemingly monstrous behavior of the lead investigator, which was an intriguing facet of the film. The radical group is mainly represented by Ann and her friend, Volker (Heinz Hönig). It quickly becomes apparent in the film that Ann and Volker are in a relationship, and that Volker caused the rift between Hoffmann and Ann that indirectly resulted in the entire mess. Volker is the leader of the student group that was being raided the evening Hoffmann was shot, and decides that Hoffmann is a perfect vessel for pushing the radical agenda, and he, like the lead police investigator, starts feeding Hoffmann information to “jog his memory,” which in honesty meant create a memory, since all memory of the night was erased from Hoffmann’s mind. His manipulative behavior seems little better than the behaviors of other, more traditionally ominous characters, especially considering that while he’s trying to convince Hoffmann to help him, he’s also stealing his wife. Or, as Hoffmann himself puts it in one of the very first things he says to Volker upon regaining ability to talk, “I play violin, or with knives. Volker plays with Ann.”
It is worth noting that, despite all of Volker’s sudden intentions, Hoffmann was never considered part of the radical movement. He had no dealings with this group prior to his shooting, except to come and occasionally see Ann. Few people in the center can recall him at all. Even though Hoffmann had no dealings with this group though, Hoffmann is the one who ended up gravely injured and declared the most dangerous terrorist of the group in the aftermath of the raid, by virtue of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It seems that the student center here serves as a microcosm of the greater leftist movement for Hauff, a concrete version of what Oskar Negt referred to as the “hazard zone” of surveillance: “whoever enters this area for any length of time does not need to provide any special reason for being considered suspect. He or she is already under suspicion.” Or, in the words of one Prussian police chief, “first the criminal must be found, then the crime will find itself.” Hoffmann, by virtue of a single bullet shot by an inexperienced officer, is now the criminal to be defended or prosecuted.
Despite all the seeming distractions and accusations, Hoffmann does recover fairly successfully, but he cannot quite recall the events of the night he was shot. He starts to believe the press reports and police claims, and starts to become certain that he did stab Schurig. After he asserts this to his doctor, the doctor asks him to draw a knife, but Hoffmann is unable to--he does not actually remember what a knife is, despite very positively telling people that he did, indeed, use a knife to stab another man. The doctor goes on to explain that there was absolutely no knife found in the room--the only knife to be found in this situation is the figurative knife that has been permanently inserted in the back of Hoffmann’s head, disabling him for an unknowable amount of time. From this point forward, the viewer gets to watch Hoffmann become increasingly angry, and the anger coupled with confusion starts to emulate the same level of despair and powerlessness seen from Katharina Blum. Where Katharina slips and has to admit to an intensely personal story of night-driving in Katharina Blum, Hoffmann finds himself making an incredibly nonsensical speech in front of a throng of reporters on his release from the hospital, which he ends by suddenly spitting out, “To all the police watching, you’ll be hearing from me.” Where Katharina destroys her own apartment systematically out of frustration, Hoffmann threatens Ann and Volker with a knife and then runs from his own home. And Hoffmann, like Katharina, seeks out a meeting with the person who caused him all of this pain to begin with.
The meeting between Schurig and Hoffmann, unlike the meeting between Katharina and Tötges, is not at all clear cut, however, nor is the outcome certain. After a confrontation with the lead police officer, where he is told “[the police] are not interested in you anymore, we do not want to talk to you,” Hoffmann just wants his question answered--why did the police officer lie?--but once in the man’s apartment, it becomes much more of a game. Schurig is terrified and tries to prove he was actually harmed in the scuffle, showing off a miniscule scar on his stomach that does not impress Hoffmann very much. He asks Schurig again why he lied, and Schurig gives in: no one ever asked him. He did not lie, he did not hide anything. He merely never answered questions that he was never asked. This brief omission is very powerful, because of the very subtle but strong point it makes in regards to the West German police force and exactly why civil liberties and political tolerance were such an important sticking point in the leftist debate: the type of reasoning Schurig is giving here for his innocence is reminiscent of the excuses given by the Durchschnittsbürger after World War II, that no one asked them or they just did not see. Many intellectuals of the 1970s made the point repeatedly about how ominous it was, in a country with a history of bringing the logic of political oppression to its ultimate, extreme conclusion, that this mass hysteria and focus on “sympathizers” and “guilt by association” was developing so strongly.
After this admission of lying by omission, Schurig then emerges from the kitchen with a knife, but while he was searching for the knife, Hoffmann happened upon Schurig’s gun, which is now aimed straight at the young police officer. After an increasingly desperate game of Schurig pleading for mercy and Hoffmann growing more and more cold, the film ends with Hoffmann calmly and rationally pressing the gun into the back of the policeman’s head as he lies prone on the floor, saying “Ich bin du”: I am you.
The ending of the film is chilling and uncertain, which serves Hauff well. The audience, who has spent the entire film rooting for Hoffmann to triumph over adversity and prove himself innocent, is now confronted with a supposed villain who amounted to nothing more than a nervous young man who made a mistake and was also manipulated. Schurig, a married man with a nice middle-class lifestyle, tries to defend himself but only halfheartedly; he contrasts very sharply with Schlöndorff and von Trotta’s Tötges, who, with his promiscuity and bad, flashy clothes, has all the stereotypical “sleazy bad guy” markings of melodramatic cinema, and who actually tries to propose to Katharina that he made her life better by giving her fame, as opposed to destroying it. Schurig is an apologetic, scared figure, and it is impossible for an audience member to root for Hoffmann to kill him. The scene of Hoffmann with the gun only lasts a minute or two in the film but seems to last for hours because of the high level of discomfort it causes.
Ultimately, it is this pervasive ambiguity that makes Messer im Kopf the stronger statement in terms of the query put forth by Heinrich Böll: How does violence develop, and where can it lead? In Die Verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum, the violence that develops is entirely mental, and it leads to an action that one would be hard-pressed not to sympathize with: an abused, slandered, and disenfranchised young woman murdering the lecherous journalist who destroyed her life. Schlöndorff and von Trotta, by making so many of their characters stereotypes of good and bad, make it very easy for the viewer to not just expect vigilante justice against the “bad guy,” but root for it. There is no overwhelming feeling that the cycle should stop; despite the directors’ objections, it does not seem like they are particularly against violence. In contrast, Hauff shows exactly how violence develops and where it leads, in a very similar process to the one experienced by Katharina Blum, except that when the audience gets to the expected vigilante denouement, no one wants Hoffmann to pull the trigger. The viewer has seen a radical behaving just as cynically and manipulatively as a head investigator, a police officer who has also been manipulated by the press. The world seems less black and white in Messer im Kopf, and Hoffmann’s desperation to regain his sense of power seems sadistic in this universe.
In short, Hauff seems concerned, more than anything else, with reflecting on the type of idea posited by the 1977 film Deutschland im Herbst (which, incidentally, featured a segment directed by Volker Schlöndorff and lists Heinrich Böll on the writing credits): when cruelly arrives at a certain point, it is no longer important who initiated it, it should only stop. By shooting his assailant, Hoffmann would actually become more sadistic in the viewer’s eyes than the assailant was, as it has now become obvious that this young man did what he did due to fear and inexperience and did not mean to shoot Hoffmann in the head, and was not involved with the subsequent beating Hoffmann received at the student center. He would have his revenge only in an impotent, bitter fashion--the system that created the situation would still be in place, the pathology of antiterrorist hysteria still extant. In the end, the two men do not become like Katharina and Tötges, symbolizing heroes and villains, or good causes and bad causes, but they remain as two individuals trapped inside of a society in a state of fear. The image of two otherwise completely respectable men trapped in such a horrific game of Russian roulette speaks strongly about the state of society and just how powerless even seemingly powerful men, like policemen and wealthy scientists, can become when the state and the media become too pervasive in the lives of the individual.
ICH BIN DU. ICH BIN DU. ICH BIN DU.
shes insane! i love it! im sad abotu what shes ingesting, and the bad man who got her started on that shit.
but shes made herself a true outsider under the influence or not- wch in itself is not a crime, shes expressed whatshes feeling insdie on the outside an dyes its the result of a pysc hotic break due to uh…ingestion of a very very very evil substance. and i know what i know because i know, the people who know- she cred for a long tome before she did it and hewr bodygiards were allthat was with her
how the ultmate insider the persopn whose almnost directly resposnble for ruining guitar rock ended up shaving herhead is an ultmate ironyt and the fact that she shaved her head hell if i didi it noonbe would blnk butt hats cos ive aleways been an ousider even when im an insider- but ths is breaking news due to that fact that this was the lolita fuck up fantasy doll jonbenet nghtmare- i remember the firt time i saw a little thing on her in spin i seriously very seriously thought iutw as a parody like an snl skit and when it became real i worried and it affected everyone, in my world in teh world of rock n roll and this may as well be death in some ways- she wasnts ober when she did it - i wish she had been because then id be able to really kind of get behind it and just say- fuck yeah express yourself- do it= ypu dont feel pretty on ths inside anymore show it man, but it s happened and itslegendary, this is going to be legendary.
is she going to join mercury rev? start hanging at spac eland?
i doubts he even udrstands that world but nod ecent punk at heart can begrudge the once totally self an dmommy sexualised “virgin” for shavin g her dammed head, i love it and im sad for her att he sAme time.
im sure shes clueless to how brilliant this was, how in some ways anarchic an dfemnist it was- but she still needs to go back to rehab.
thjats myt two cents.
shes insane! i love it!
Angel is moving along and I'm up to just over 20k. My only worry here is I'm going to run out of words at the 50k mark. Then again, I thought that with Kill Lill and ended up having to cull several thousand just to get it under 100k. Hmm. Definite pattern there.
Nothing much else to report on the writing front, except to give a big shout out to Julie Anne from the Clayton's Conference fame. She's doing a great job of getting together romance writers living in WA, and is organising a writers retreat in a few weeks time, right on the ocean's edge. Talk about inspiration! Not only that, but she's also set up a brilliant website WA RWA. Pop along and have a look (and drool over the gorgeous setting of the retreat!)
Nothing much else to report on the writing front, except to give a big shout out to Julie Anne from the Clayton's Conference fame. She's doing a great job of getting together romance writers living in WA, and is organising a writers retreat in a few weeks time, right on the ocean's edge. Talk about inspiration! Not only that, but she's also set up a brilliant website WA RWA. Pop along and have a look (and drool over the gorgeous setting of the retreat!)
WA Writers Retreat
DUDES I AM SO BORED W/OUT THE FOOTBALL WTF SHOULD I DO WITH THE OFF SEASON? ;_; THINKING OF STARTING A COVER BAND??? YOU KNOW, COVERS OF SPRINGSTEEN, TEH REPLACEMENTS, JOHN LENNON, ZEPPLIN (ROOLZ LOL!!), TEDDY PENDERGRASS, ALL OF THE HITS/?? Y/N
UPDATE: guyz tiki is in!! i got a phone call into troy aikman to see if he'll lead sing 4 us this is gonna be so f'in sweet
children by the million sing for alex chilton!11
I am not a hard-core gamer. I like to play once in a while, but I haven't been interested in buying a system in years. The last time I bought one was in 1985 when the original Nintendo was released.
So, when Sapp's neice and nephew visited after Christmas and brought their XBox 360, Rod was hooked. He wanted one, but I wasn't so sure. I started asking around and found out that the Wii was a better choice. My boss's kids had both and the Wii gets tons more play.
My next task was not only to convince everyone on the "network team" of the Wii, but also to find one! They are no where to be found. You would think that over three months after Christmas that they would be available, but nope...nowhere. So, I did some searching on the web and found a website that keeps in-stock status at websites. I checked mutiple times a day and finally it was available at Wal-Mart. Unfortunately, it was in a bundle with 7 games. I figured that we would buy a bunch of games anyway and I would just make the up front investment. There was a good selection of games, so I picked ones that I thought we would like (the ones we didn't want I just returned to the store).
After a week of waiting, the Wii finally arrived! We were so excited that we started playing right away. I love playing the more "kiddie" games, while Rich likes the more advanced games (he plays Call of Duty 3 & Splinter Cell for hours). We love playing Wii Sports against each other and when the Mannings visit (including in laws and teenage neice and nephew) we play the games together and everyone can play! Archie has never played video games and picked it up right away and loved playing Wii Sports. My nephew (with the XBox 360) now wants a Wii more and is addicted to it!
The Wii is different than any other video game I have ever played (not that I have played many, but I have watched friends play everything from the original Nintendo to Playstation, Gamecude, XBox, etc..). The remote takes a little getting used to since most games are played with the little twists of your wrist or the motion of your arm. Bowling is cool because a little twist of your wrist curves the ball just like in real life. I find that I don't sit down for most of the game and if I am sitting, I am moving around a lot...my arm has gotten sore from hitting the ball in tennis or boxing with Mooch.
This is the best game console out there for everyone! It is so easy to play and super fun! The gang is hooked and so glad that we got the Wii..."wii" is over the Xbox 360. :D
So, when Sapp's neice and nephew visited after Christmas and brought their XBox 360, Rod was hooked. He wanted one, but I wasn't so sure. I started asking around and found out that the Wii was a better choice. My boss's kids had both and the Wii gets tons more play.
My next task was not only to convince everyone on the "network team" of the Wii, but also to find one! They are no where to be found. You would think that over three months after Christmas that they would be available, but nope...nowhere. So, I did some searching on the web and found a website that keeps in-stock status at websites. I checked mutiple times a day and finally it was available at Wal-Mart. Unfortunately, it was in a bundle with 7 games. I figured that we would buy a bunch of games anyway and I would just make the up front investment. There was a good selection of games, so I picked ones that I thought we would like (the ones we didn't want I just returned to the store).
After a week of waiting, the Wii finally arrived! We were so excited that we started playing right away. I love playing the more "kiddie" games, while Rich likes the more advanced games (he plays Call of Duty 3 & Splinter Cell for hours). We love playing Wii Sports against each other and when the Mannings visit (including in laws and teenage neice and nephew) we play the games together and everyone can play! Archie has never played video games and picked it up right away and loved playing Wii Sports. My nephew (with the XBox 360) now wants a Wii more and is addicted to it!
The Wii is different than any other video game I have ever played (not that I have played many, but I have watched friends play everything from the original Nintendo to Playstation, Gamecude, XBox, etc..). The remote takes a little getting used to since most games are played with the little twists of your wrist or the motion of your arm. Bowling is cool because a little twist of your wrist curves the ball just like in real life. I find that I don't sit down for most of the game and if I am sitting, I am moving around a lot...my arm has gotten sore from hitting the ball in tennis or boxing with Mooch.
This is the best game console out there for everyone! It is so easy to play and super fun! The gang is hooked and so glad that we got the Wii..."wii" is over the Xbox 360. :D
